Dual ID's

[NC5267]

Can a Harris radio that has a Provoice system and a P25 system programmed have two different ID's for each system? If a Provoice system user needs to switch to a P25 system to talk with a given agency will the ID show up different? Thanks.

 

[DisasterGuy]

Every system has a separate ID. The ID can be the same or different between any systems. In the context of Harris the term system can be generally taken in terms of "zone" in the Motorola world. That is a bit of over simplification but the best way I can get the point across without providing a full harris subscriber primer.

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[riveter]

... That is a bit of over simplification but the best way I can get the point across without providing a full harris subscriber primer.

*drool* that's a class I'd like to have.

 

[DisasterGuy]

*drool* that's a class I'd like to have.

I can try to put something very basic together at some point but for very quick background, Harris subscribers are easier to understand if you have a solid feel for the original APCO16 standard. Language also can create confusion when you go between motorola and harris with terms such as system and personality.

In Motorola programming you build a personality for each system. That personality contains things like system ID, radio ID, talkgroup lists, etc. You then create zones that reference items within those personalities.

In Harris programming you have frequency sets and group sets. You then create a system that includes the system ID, radio ID and references the frequency and group sets. In the case of managing a fleet the "sets" can be global and applied to any radio. The systems that you create become ramps in the radio (or what a Motorola user would call a zone).

Newer Harris radios do offer a zone feature as well however the zone is used to collect the resources from various systems where by the user has access to multiple trunking and conventional channels/Groups within a single ramp/zone.

One very nice feature in Harris programming is that a single personality (codeplug) can be applied to any model radio (700p to unity) simply by changing the drop down radio type box in the RPM application whereas Motorola programming generally requires different RSS/CPS for each generation and to rebuild a new codeplug for each.

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[riveter]

I can try to put something very basic together at some point but for very quick background, Harris subscribers are easier to understand if you have a solid feel for the original APCO16 standard. Language also can create confusion when you go between motorola and harris with terms such as system and personality.

In Motorola programming you build a personality for each system. That personality contains things like system ID, radio ID, talkgroup lists, etc. You then create zones that reference items within those personalities.

In Harris programming you have frequency sets and group sets. You then create a system that includes the system ID, radio ID and references the frequency and group sets. In the case of managing a fleet the "sets" can be global and applied to any radio. The systems that you create become ramps in the radio (or what a Motorola user would call a zone).

Newer Harris radios do offer a zone feature as well however the zone is used to collect the resources from various systems where by the user has access to multiple trunking and conventional channels/Groups within a single ramp/zone.

One very nice feature in Harris programming is that a single personality (codeplug) can be applied to any model radio (700p to unity) simply by changing the drop down radio type box in the RPM application whereas Motorola programming generally requires different RSS/CPS for each generation and to rebuild a new codeplug for each.

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Huh, that's an interesting difference - thank you, that's a very succinct explanation. I have noted the point about RPM being everything-compatible before, that's a huge plus compared to CPS-this and CPS-that.

Been a loyal Harris fan for 4 years now since I was first made a user on a Harris TRS (and therefore started paying attention)... and so I end up working for a Moto radio shop, go figure.

 

[kb4cvn]

Before I started teaching EDACS (APCO Project-16) and supporting it from TAC for 11 years, I maintained edacs public safety systems.

It is a common programming set-up for the Tech's to have two different LID (Logical ID) numbers programmed into their radios. One for normal day-to-day voice communications. The second for test partition mode use. That is, when you take a WORKING CHANNEL repeater out of the assignment pool, and put it into a test partition so only YOU the Tech have RF access to it for testing or routine preventative maintenance, etc. You can create and use a special list of LID's that work only in a test partition.

In my case, LID 84 was my 'normal' LID in my portable. LID 184 was my test partition ID in the same radio. Two different trunked "systems" in my radio. Exact same programming on the City's trunked system, with only the LID different. Further, when I roamed over onto the State Police's trunked system, my (state assigned) LID number 7502 in this same portable, and was programmed onto sixteen (16) different 'systems' in my radio for their sites.

This does not even touch the various other city or county systems programmed in the radio, each with their own unique LID number for their respective systems.

The above is valid 100% over into P-25 too.

Hope this helps.

 

[TexasCOML]

Is there anywhere that the global sets are kept for all to use saving a lot of time on things like VTAC and UTAC and such?

 

[DisasterGuy]

Global sets are global within RPM, not global as in public.

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