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A new vault is coming out next week
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EF Johnson All Band Portable, VP8000 Announced
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What is CEVO?
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It is the EF Johnson dealer access site.
I will send in a ticket and find out.
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I had Phase 1 loaded in my 8000 with Vault 2. No problems. That was last week.
@Sprailer36 I am glad you did not have any issues. It may be sporadic with some dealers.
Did the radio originally ship with or without the feature? We thought that was the issue.
I have ordered for a few of my customers, mirrors that of the NX-5000 series I am told.
I am waiting on mine to come in myself.
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Radio did not ship with Phase 1. It was added with Vault. And also FPP does have a few bugs, but it is superior to the NX 5000 FPP.
I have FPP but have not played with it much. Pretty much you can alter an existing channel but not create a completely new one on the fly (not positive). In my NX radio I leave some dummy dual mode channels that I can modify to whatever I need.
I was really hoping for DMR before leaving town for all of June—I could really use it, not wanting to carry more radios. I don’t have a vault account yet but I did request it, not sure what more to do. I do have efjohnson share file account, just no vault and I’m in need of a few options.
I was really hoping for DMR before leaving town for all of June—I could really use it, not wanting to carry more radios. I don’t have a vault account yet but I did request it, not sure what more to do. I do have efjohnson share file account, just no vault and I’m in need of a few options.
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Any idea how non fed people get fpp?
GMRS and/or Ham radio license was enough, through my MR channels, for approval.
Your question has already been answered by Evans and the following comments are only my thoughts on the larger legal issue.
End goal of fcc rules on such matters is to lessen the possibility of unintentional transmissions on frequencies not licensed for. FCC often uses term “end user”, meaning non technical personnel such as taxi driver or even policeman and concern about them playing around with buttons and landing on random frequencies through ignorance or curiosity and then making illegal or interfering transmissions. FCC terms such as “maintenance“ or “service” personnel would more accurately describe all of us on this forum, making us authorized to program and do Fpp. We are maintaining and programming our own equipment and as such represent ourselves to understand what we are allowed to do and staying within law. Our actions are less likely to be unintentional concerning radio gear and programming than a cab driver, kid with frs, or even a cop. All of us can be held responsible for intentional or even unintentional actions we take. Any new radios can be locked down if needed by passwords or keys which is common among fleet radios in order to prevent mostly unintentional problems on the system. I do not normally possess system keys for TRS‘s I use and have limited ability to alter those systems without key. All conventional systems are unrestricted to me but not most (cops, emts, firemen, public works etc).
The FCC is like every other federal agency in that you can call them 10 times and get 10 answers. I’m unaware of any existing system to license radio techs by fcc. Local State Patrol radio shop has no such people. Some are factory trained and have certificates but no licenses. Most of us on this forum are easily defined as maintenance and service personnel, not end users.
Opinion mine.
End goal of fcc rules on such matters is to lessen the possibility of unintentional transmissions on frequencies not licensed for. FCC often uses term “end user”, meaning non technical personnel such as taxi driver or even policeman and concern about them playing around with buttons and landing on random frequencies through ignorance or curiosity and then making illegal or interfering transmissions. FCC terms such as “maintenance“ or “service” personnel would more accurately describe all of us on this forum, making us authorized to program and do Fpp. We are maintaining and programming our own equipment and as such represent ourselves to understand what we are allowed to do and staying within law. Our actions are less likely to be unintentional concerning radio gear and programming than a cab driver, kid with frs, or even a cop. All of us can be held responsible for intentional or even unintentional actions we take. Any new radios can be locked down if needed by passwords or keys which is common among fleet radios in order to prevent mostly unintentional problems on the system. I do not normally possess system keys for TRS‘s I use and have limited ability to alter those systems without key. All conventional systems are unrestricted to me but not most (cops, emts, firemen, public works etc).
The FCC is like every other federal agency in that you can call them 10 times and get 10 answers. I’m unaware of any existing system to license radio techs by fcc. Local State Patrol radio shop has no such people. Some are factory trained and have certificates but no licenses. Most of us on this forum are easily defined as maintenance and service personnel, not end users.
Opinion mine.
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The reason I asked the question the way I did is the language in the catalog description, which starts "... purchaser represents and warrants: (1) that such radio programmed will be used on Federal Frequencies only; and (2) that the purchaser and/or its end user has authority to
operate on same." I stopped there.
However, it continues: "Alternatively, purchaser represents and warrants that the purchaser and/or its end user may otherwise operate such radios under FCC Part 90."
It seems to mean one can legitimately buy the option to use the radio as a test tool or for other legitimate uses, as @kd4efm said. The legalese may have some problems though.
operate on same." I stopped there.
However, it continues: "Alternatively, purchaser represents and warrants that the purchaser and/or its end user may otherwise operate such radios under FCC Part 90."
It seems to mean one can legitimately buy the option to use the radio as a test tool or for other legitimate uses, as @kd4efm said. The legalese may have some problems though.
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It seems to mean one can legitimately buy the option to use the radio as a test tool or for other legitimate uses, as @kd4efm said. The legalese may have some problems though.
Federal/NTIA rules are different than FCC, as you've noticed.
The FCC Part 90 rules are exceedingly clear on this, as are the other rule sections. Average Joe radio user should not have the ability to change the function of the radio. Having FPP active technically violates the certification of the radio in many services. I think that's one of the reasons you'll find it buried, controlled by password, or otherwise difficult to activate.
Yeah, pretty much every fire agency ignores that. We had a bunch of JT1000's at work for a while. The FPP dongle sort of kept most of it under control.
Just about every radio tech I know has their radio set up for FPP. It's just too handy a tool to not have on site if you are testing something.
That being said, Deputy Fife or Ralph Kramden driving the bus don't need access to it. Radio end users don't need access to it. Most people don't need access to it.
It should be hard to get, harder than it is. I had to go through multiple steps to get wide band turned on a few radios at work, including signing papers saying I understood the FCC rules. Same needs to be done for FPP.
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