djl8412
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Are agencies with encryption broadcasts still unable to be monitored by any scanner devices?
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tvengr
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Encrypted transmissions cannot be monitored by any scanner PERIOD!
doctordialtone
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No radio can monitor encrypted Encrypted transmissions, unless they are affiliated with the system AND have the key.
No scanner can do this.
On Uniden scanners, you will either hear garbage audio and/or see "ENC" on the display.
It's illegal to decrypt encrypted transmissions unless you are an authorized user using an authorized radio.
Period
Period
freqseeker
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The purpose of encryption is to keep anyone except those authorized from listening. It is like a lock on your door, meant to keep people out.
You sure about that?
Isn't this a meaningless point? I keep seeing people mentioning this, which implies it is somehow possible to accomplish. I guess I do recall some vague posts quite a while ago about people claiming someone, somewhere allegedly figured out a way to "hack around" AES (exploiting something about how AES is implemented, obviously not cracking AES itself).
But IMO the legality of this is irrelevant, so far no one has provided evidence it's actually been done. From what I've heard, cartels have been known to monitor Federal agency radios by literally bribing someone in the agency.
mmckenna
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Technology moves faster than the government. It's just a way of making it against the rules separate from the technological aspect.
There are also rules regarding 'eavesdropping'.
If it does exist, 3 letter ends, foreign such as Russian or Chinese intelligence maybe if it did. But being a current standard for AES end highly unlikely on a modern scale for majority.
As for lower end adp or 16 bit etc types that is why they are not a authorized standard for grant monies. Weak have been broken in test labs.
DES still.sstill.in most factors minus higher end that could do it possibly.
all in all unication does make a exception capable rx but you must have the authorized key, and so on.
Last I checked they wanted it verified who you're with to even get the enc option enabled. Could have changed.
In end AES hasn't been proven to be broke and why its a standard.
In end unless you're a spy for China, Russia or cia type intelligence the costs and ability aside from legal aspect would be beyond anyone's means or capacity.
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The FCC rule applies to any encrypted signal. New encrypted systems since 2014 must use AES but older systems don't and in many cases could be easily broken.
You would be quite wrong.
Obviously, if you are just receiving only, no affiliation to the system is required (or possible) but you must have the key.
Or maybe a bank of quantum computers or supercomputers trying to find the key.
Perhaps you missed the bold font I used to emphasis the "unless they are affiliated" part. No affiliation necessary, otherwise Multi-System Scan and Intelligent Priority scan lists would not function correctly.
Does decrypting encrypted communications necessarily mean breaking the encryption algorithm? If one uses a stolen or otherwise unauthorized radio, you're still decrypting comms that aren't intended for you.
Kiniutech
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One would need NSA computer power to decrypt AES 256, you definitely will not decrypy anythong on the fly while listening.
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WX4JCW
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Regardless of wether in theory it could be broken, it is a Federal Felony, look at the morons in stark county oh, would you really want to be the one they go after to set an example and prove a point, that is IF you could get a key.
ur20v
The Feds say my name hot like when the oven on
Despite what some shortwave radio talk show hosts and Hollywood would have you believe, even the NSA doesn't possess the kind of computer power necessary to break AES 256 encryption or similar. The feds break encryption the same way everyone else does - by stealing or otherwise obtaining the key one way or another.
Who exactly are these morons you speak of? Ohio is chock full of 'em; you need to be more specific.
majoco
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Going right back to the WW2 "Enigma" system with rolling codes and sometimes ten phases of coding that was eventually broken but still needed a good deal of 'sleuthing' - and by mistakes made by the sender sometimes by having the encrypted message followed a bit later by the plain language text or the same message coded twice - the concept is that even though the message may eventually be read, the information contained is so far out of date as to be useless.
Oops - that's all one sentence - take a deep breath....
I believe the WW2 "Enigma" was eventually broken by the German habit of opening every message with "Heil Hitler".
Oops - that's all one sentence - take a deep breath....
I believe the WW2 "Enigma" was eventually broken by the German habit of opening every message with "Heil Hitler".
WX4JCW
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alas, I can not do your research for you, 99% of the subscribers here most likely got my reference, the case was well known
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