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The Town of Farmington Police (Hartford County) are experiencing comms problems. A band-aid of sorts is in place and they still use the current system but if you are experiencing reception issues with them the fault is not at your end. Hopefully, they will be back full soon. This part of my post is factual.

The rest (below) is hearsay. I can not validate or elaborate on it. I will leave that to you…


From what I have heard the problems are severe enough to cause a review of their current system… sink money into repair or look at alternatives.
 

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The Town of Farmington Police (Hartford County) are experiencing comms problems. A band-aid of sorts is in place and they still use the current system but if you are experiencing reception issues with them the fault is not at your end. Hopefully, they will be back full soon. This part of my post is factual.

The rest (below) is hearsay. I can not validate or elaborate on it. I will leave that to you…


From what I have heard the problems are severe enough to cause a review of their current system… sink money into repair or look at alternatives.
Well they have some very nice sites…
 

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My guess is having “very nice sites” relates to a trunked 700-800MHz system. While that may be true, I’ve never been a fan of any system that requires an array of sites and equipment to make it work. But in today’s world that may be necessary.

I'm an old firefighter. The long standing premise of the fire service is the ability to take everything with you when you respond. That’s not to say everything goes everytime, only what is necessary. But all that they own is on wheels. FD’s use trucks, very large trucks, to carry all their equipment… pumps, hose, extraction tools, etc. And that includes their communication system too. They want to be self-sufficient in all things. I remember times when the police asked the FD for help when their comms system died suddenly… it was back in the day, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen again.

Severe weather incidents such as high winds, tornados, hurricanes may cause a trunking site to go down, damaged by the weather. What happens when services are required to respond to that area that trunked site services? It’s a very real probability. The system may be severely limited or not work at all… especially when that site also supports cell phones.

A VHF High Band repeater system depends upon a repeater much like a trunked system. So what happens if that repeater and any redundancy that may be in place go down? If the responders are equipped with mobile radios powerful enough to be able to switch to simplex they can maintain their ability to contact their base without a repeater in the mix. It’s not a perfect solution but the VHF frequencies are not as susceptible to “line-of-sight” as 700-800MHz frequencies commonly used on trunked systems… that’s why trunked systems need those extra sites. And the infrastructure of a trunked system is much more elaborate and involved than a VHF system. That aspect of a trunked system plays against being able to take everything you own with you. Yes, large trunked systems employ portable mobile sites they can roll out at a moments notice to replace a damaged site but it still takes time to get them transported and set up. Something Fire Chiefs are vehemently opposed to. They tend to practice the KISS adage. They want to know they already have the equipment they need on board their apparatus. Time is a killer during emergencies where the objective is to regain control in a timely fashion.

That being said, I realize trunked systems are here to stay. Fire Chief’s don’t get much say in larger towns and cities when it comes to budgets for one thing. And they an oriented in the fire service, not all that much in the technical aspect of todays comms systems. They can’t speak intelligently on the subject so they leave it up to others and are at their mercy. They are always told to trim their dept. budget down. They would much rather pay for their share of a lesser cost VHF system and allocate more money for other equipment and personnel but trunked systems are designed for multi agency use, necessary for the many needs of the larger towns and cities, and should save the overall municipal budget money over the long run. So, you are probably correct when you say there are some very nice sites in town.

The real kicker here is we can debate all day the advantages and disadvantages. If a proposal is initiated, the pros and cons get weighed during the discovery process, deciding a best fit. But the real decider is cost…Will the voters go for it? And what do you say to them when they say “How much will our taxes go up?”

Do they spend the $20K (just a guess) to fix existing or spend millions on an upgrade? A fix probably won’t be subject to a referendum but the alternate offerings surely will.

Only time will tell.
 

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no better way than to have a post about speculation and opinions based on an agency having "communications problems" ...

plain and simple .. an antenna at one of the sites is the issue ... that is all.
to be fair, an antenna problem is certainly a communication problem. He did state there was some speculation in his last sentence
 

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It's always sounded static-y to me... right at the end of a transmission it flares up.
 

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The Town of Farmington Police (Hartford County) are experiencing comms problems. A band-aid of sorts is in place and they still use the current system but if you are experiencing reception issues with them the fault is not at your end. Hopefully, they will be back full soon. This part of my post is factual.

The rest (below) is hearsay. I can not validate or elaborate on it. I will leave that to you…


From what I have heard the problems are severe enough to cause a review of their current system… sink money into repair or look at alternatives.
June 11, 2024. Heard Farmington Police Disparch transmit an advisory to all that Radio Service was working on an antenna issue around 8:00am. At aprox 3:30pm Dispatch called two units and asked how reception was. Both units reported “loud and clear”. It appears the repairs have been successful. W
The Town of Farmington Police (Hartford County) are experiencing comms problems. A band-aid of sorts is in place and they still use the current system but if you are experiencing reception issues with them the fault is not at your end. Hopefully, they will be back full soon. This part of my post is factual.

The rest (below) is hearsay. I can not validate or elaborate on it. I will leave that to you…


From what I have heard the problems are severe enough to cause a review of their current system… sink money into repair or look at alternatives.

no better way than to have a post about speculation and opinions based on an agency having "communications problems" ...

plain and simple .. an antenna at one of the sites is the issue ... that is all.
Yea, but this forum isn’t a telegram where they charge you by how many words or lines used.
 

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June 11, 2024. Heard Farmington Police Disparch transmit an advisory to all that Radio Service was working on an antenna issue around 8:00am. At aprox 3:30pm Dispatch called two units and asked how reception was. Both units reported “loud and clear”. It appears the repairs have been successful. W



Yea, but this forum isn’t a telegram where they charge you by how many words or lines used.
Your “Yea” was sufficient. You can forget your “but”… it’s a post. And criticizing how it’s compiled is not appreciated. If you can’t reply without being arrogant about it don’t reply at all. I didn’t know it was an antenna related issue. If I had to guess I’d pick a pre-amp, but then, that might mislead so I didn’t mention it. I would have been wrong. By the way, it appears FPD is again (or still) having a problem… care to elaborate as to why? Still the same antenna problem? Tower work scheduling to replace a bad antenna? (I expect the spring and summer months are a busy time for tower work?)
 

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Your “Yea” was sufficient. You can forget your “but”… it’s a post. And criticizing how it’s compiled is not appreciated. If you can’t reply without being arrogant about it don’t reply at all. I didn’t know it was an antenna related issue. If I had to guess I’d pick a pre-amp, but then, that might mislead so I didn’t mention it. I would have been wrong. By the way, it appears FPD is again (or still) having a problem… care to elaborate as to why? Still the same antenna problem? Tower work scheduling to replace a bad antenna? (I expect the spring and summer months are a busy time for tower work?)
you just quoted and criticized your own post...
 

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you just quoted and criticized your own post...
Ok… how so? I was responding to a critical comment relating to what I first posted. His take on my post was it apparently was too long. But he did give up the apparent reason for the degraded signal… (although it felt reluctant on his part). It seems some people are not happy unless they continually criticize others. Constructive criticism is one thing but his reply was just arrogant.
 

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Ok… how so? I was responding to a critical comment relating to what I first posted. His take on my post was it apparently was too long. But he did give up the apparent reason for the degraded signal… (although it felt reluctant on his part). It seems some people are not happy unless they continually criticize others. Constructive criticism is one thing but his reply was just arrogant.
both the "Yea" and "But" you referred to were said by you
 

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both the "Yea" and "But" you referred to were said by
both the "Yea" and "But" you referred to were said by you
Thanks for the clarification. I now understand my confusion. I quoted the wrong text. My apologies. But I still stand by there’s no place for arrogance. There was no ill will aimed at anyone in my original post.
 

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30+ year old antenna & 30+ year old antenna cable .... both decided to fail at separate times since this thread started. A repair will occur in the near future. Thank you.
 

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I can attest to that old adage “If it ain’t broke don’t fix it” being embraced by the Town of Farmington. At least as it applied to Farmington when I conferred with Capt.Yates (Police) over the FD comms system. And again when I advised the town council an expert independant contractor should be hired to represent the town in any deliberations instead of relying on a supplier to determine what was best for the town.

That independant advisor reported he had never seen the amount of splices, combiners, patches and use of electrical tape as he witnessed on the town hall rooftop (redundancy antenna farm) that caused him to ask who held the maintenance contract. The answer he got was “What maintenance contract?” The town had been doing repair work on a “do it on the cheap” basis. They waited for something to break before they called the repair shop. Sounds like they applied that same mindset to the antenna and coax.

I’ve as much as come right out and stated if not for me the FD’s in town would never have ended up with the VHF high band repeater system they enjoy today. (So I know a thing or two as it was a police captain who was the towns contact man for all things radio back then.) But, to date, I have never inquired of someone in the know about the present troubles with the PD. I did ask patrolmen but they didn’t know anything. And I didn’t want to appear like I was sticking my nose in where it didn’t belong, so I haven’t posed any questions to the higher echelon or even bothered to ask my selectman. In fact, everything I’ve learned about this current problem comes fro you SVFC462. Thank you for that. Wondering how you know the specifics of the situation?
 
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