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I was just looking at the license for kvf642 for example and saw that under frequencies it has the number of units. I am wondering how that is figured out and if a department wanted to add more radios, does that have to be added to the license? Kvf642 has 4000 units for example if a department finds it needs more radios, does that change need to be made to the license, or is that something that doesn’t need to be reflected in the license?
 

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It's a general idea of how many mobile and portable radios may be used under the license. It isn't exact and typically higher than necessary. It's not as critical to have as how many base stations, or repeaters there are and where.

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Kvf642 has 4000 units for example if a department finds it needs more radios, does that change need to be made to the license, or is that something that doesn’t need to be reflected in the license?

It is often used as part of frequency coordination. When the frequency is not protected and may have co-channel users, the amount of usage needs to be figured in. More radios means more air time, and that can be problematic for shared use.

Ideally the license would be updated and maybe even re-coordinated if a substantially higher number of users gets added.

"Usually" (as in, not always, not in every case, sometimes, maybe, never, always, 'there's always a special case', your milage may vary), public safety licenses are protected, not shared, and coordinated so there are no co channel users in the coverage contour. But RF spills over the imaginary lines that frequency coordinators use, and/or mobile units wander outside the coverage area, so there is some logic in taking all this into account.
 
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Yes I can visualize 4000 mobiles operating on 3 or 4 simplex frequencies within a 32km circle in NH.
Someone had a big head when they did that. And likely for reason mmckenna said about adjacent freq.
Texas DPS tried crap like that.
 

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It's not as critical to have as how many base stations, or repeaters there are and where.
As critical as that is, if I had a nickel for every license that was never updated to reflect the current status of the licensee's use, I'd be rich.
The FCC enforcement bureau is very lax at enforcing license anomalies.
 

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To be honest, I think it was supposed to be 400 mobiles on that license. Also, depending on who you ask, you need to list the total number of radios that "could" be on the frequency; or how many mobiles could be on the frequency at one time. And I've had coordinators tell me both.
 

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When a licensee does a "Satisfaction of Construction" in the first year of licensure, the licensee must advise the FCC how many radios are were programmed to the frequency or frequencies. Technically if the licensee exceeds that they are supposed to do a license modification, but I've never seen that happen.
 

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Parks Southern Southwest Ops
151.3850 / 136.5 - Monadnock State Park Repeater (on Pack Monadnock)
159.3750 / 131.8 - Parks 2 - Half the parks and Monadnock as well
153.5675 / 173.8 - Clough SP
151.2950 / 186.2 - Greenfield SP (Test)
158.4150 / 173.8 - Greenfield SP
153.2000 / 186.2 - Miller SP
153.6800 / 151.4 - Silver Lake SP
153.0650 / 186.2 - Bear Brook SP (BB 2)
158.3250 / 186.2 - Kingston SP

There's two zones and a lot of overlap in the Southern Region. Most are still on Parks-2 I think. Pawtuckaway has a test repeater as well, but it isn't working well and I'm working on something different for them. It might be on 153.680.
 

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Parks Southern Southwest Ops
151.3850 / 136.5 - Monadnock State Park Repeater (on Pack Monadnock)
159.3750 / 131.8 - Parks 2 - Half the parks and Monadnock as well
153.5675 / 173.8 - Clough SP
151.2950 / 186.2 - Greenfield SP (Test)
158.4150 / 173.8 - Greenfield SP
153.2000 / 186.2 - Miller SP
153.6800 / 151.4 - Silver Lake SP
153.0650 / 186.2 - Bear Brook SP (BB 2)
158.3250 / 186.2 - Kingston SP

There's two zones and a lot of overlap in the Southern Region. Most are still on Parks-2 I think. Pawtuckaway has a test repeater as well, but it isn't working well and I'm working on something different for them. It might be on 153.680.
I never knew the radio frequency information for clough sp. is that clough in Weare? What about elm brook?
 
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