Fed Freqs - Pittsburgh PA Area 8/2009 (G20 summit related?)

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> It looks like Staley Communications has supplied some of their frequencies
> for the Pittsburgh Police's G20 operations activities. So far we have
> monitored:
>
> 451.8375 C103.5 - Operations, Canine
> 452.0125 C107.2 - Charlie, Foxtrot Units
> 452.7750 C192.8 - Alpha, Bravo, Delta Units
>
> Here is a complete list of the Staley Communications frequencies on call
> sign WPMZ717:
>
> 451.8375
> 452.0125
> 452.3625
> 452.4375
> 452.7375
> 456.8375
> 457.0125
> 457.3625
> 457.4375
> 457.7375
>
> The first two frequencies are probably repeater outputs that pair up with
> the last five frequencies. It is probably best to listen to all of them as
> the traditional input frequencies may be used for repeater "talk around" or
> simplex comms.
 

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> It looks like Staley Communications has supplied some of their frequencies
> for the Pittsburgh Police's G20 operations activities. So far we have
> monitored:
>
> 451.8375 C103.5 - Operations, Canine
> 452.0125 C107.2 - Charlie, Foxtrot Units
> 452.7750 C192.8 - Alpha, Bravo, Delta Units
>
> Here is a complete list of the Staley Communications frequencies on call
> sign WPMZ717:
>
> 451.8375
> 452.0125
> 452.3625
> 452.4375
> 452.7375
> 456.8375
> 457.0125
> 457.3625
> 457.4375
> 457.7375
>
> The first two frequencies are probably repeater outputs that pair up with
> the last five frequencies. It is probably best to listen to all of them as
> the traditional input frequencies may be used for repeater "talk around" or
> simplex comms.

That's excellent info. Thank you. I probably won't hear much on them from my location, bu I'll plug them in anyway. Picksburg listening should be interesting this week :)

Mike
 

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Just heard traffic on 453.4375 DCS 743 I believe.

Haven't monitored long enough to know if this is G20 stuff but it may be.

Mike
 

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167.750 NAC 68F - repeater output

In the clear P25, guys looking for line of site. Wanted to test simplex on "Coast Guard 2, 128" but no joy on simplex.

They are finding 167.750 to be of very good coverage and are thinking of using it.

"Rome" and "Victor" are active on the freq.

mike
 

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FrequencyCTCSSNACFrequencyCTCSSStateUserDescription167.7500167.9$68F162.8375167.9USNationwide Law EnforcementNationwide LE3 Repeater167.7500167.9$68F167.7500167.9USNationwide Law EnforcementNationwide LE7 Simplex

They can use 167.9 for Analog and $68F for P25

Try 172.3125 for the CG NET-128 or CG-28 [depends on your Region]

167.750 NAC 68F - repeater output

In the clear P25, guys looking for line of site. Wanted to test simplex on "Coast Guard 2, 128" but no joy on simplex.

They are finding 167.750 to be of very good coverage and are thinking of using it.

"Rome" and "Victor" are active on the freq.

mike
 

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FrequencyCTCSSNACFrequencyCTCSSStateUserDescription167.7500167.9$68F162.8375167.9USNationwide Law EnforcementNationwide LE3 Repeater167.7500167.9$68F167.7500167.9USNationwide Law EnforcementNationwide LE7 Simplex

They can use 167.9 for Analog and $68F for P25

Try 172.3125 for the CG NET-128 or CG-28 [depends on your Region]

Interesting, thank you. Do you have a handy link for a list of the nationwide LE stuff? I probably won't hear anyting on CG NET-128 myself because of my location, but somebody near to PGH should program it in. I hear guys on LE3 saying they want to get "Coast Guard 2, 128" coded and then try to switch some of the people on LE3 to that for their particular task.

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ecps92 said:
Mike don't take our comments personally. We are just helping.

I know what "WE - Scannists" ran across during the DNC in Boston.
Lots were learned. Patched channels, Part-time Patching, Common inputs with Multiple outputs, Intermod and of course the damn Images.

Ok, I'll try to not be so girly about it :)

Was just trying to scan the 400 Mhz federal band for anything useful from my location 25 air miles WSW of PGH. In the process I see my PRO-197 has a lot of images on 400 Mhz that is 42.8 Mhz (2 x 2nd IF of 21.4) below the actual frequency.

Ex: hearing paging on 409.75 that is actually local fire paging on 452.55. This sucks for trying to scan UHF federal though :(

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What Scanner? One of the better ways for VHF is to lock one Scanner on your Local High Power TAXI Channel, then use the other Scanner to Search for it [Up and Down]

My UHF [GRE 600] get's 453/460 and weaker but there 470/480 images.

Ok, I'll try to not be so girly about it :)

Was just trying to scan the 400 Mhz federal band for anything useful from my location 25 air miles WSW of PGH. In the process I see my PRO-197 has a lot of images on 400 Mhz that is 42.8 Mhz (2 x 2nd IF of 21.4) below the actual frequency.

Ex: hearing paging on 409.75 that is actually local fire paging on 452.55. This sucks for trying to scan UHF federal though :(

Mike
 

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The 150 freqs and a couple of the others are not from Pittsburgh area. One is a National park freq by you.

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The 150 freqs and a couple of the others are not from Pittsburgh area. One is a National park freq by you.

Frank K3FS

National Park freq by me? I don't know of any national parks in Ohio. And the 150 freqs, the 157 freq, and the 160 Mhz freqs that I oriignally listed were all "linked" and broadcasting identical comms during the time that I noted them.

I have heard _nothing_ out of them in the past few days oddly enough. But I'm until the final week preceding the G20 they were active.

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169.800 is Cuyahoga National Park. It stretches about 22 miles. The system is audible at times here.

168.900 is National First Ladies Library.


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What makes me think you're hearing images is:

1. I've not heard any activity on the 150 MHz frequencies despite scanning them, and I'm closer to PGH than you (assuming they are coming from the PGH area), and

2. You're missing several 170 MHz frequencies on this simulcast system. I didn't do the math, but I bet they are 21.4 MHz higher than some of those 150 MHz frequencies.

I have noticed the area CAP repeater has a new CTCSS on 148.150 MHz, BTW.

Also, many of these are nothing new - they've been around for some time.

Joe M.

I hear images from time to time, some more prominent than others depending on the band and the proximity of the transmitters to my location.

Even on the strongest of signals on VHF, I have never seen any images 10.7 Mhz up or down of any strong frequency. Not to say that it doesn't happen, but I've never experienced it. And these signals aren't as strong as some of the signals that shoudl produce images if an image were going to be produced.

It's a triple conversion scanner - The 1st IF is 380 Mhz. It's a bit less likely that you'd see a 21.4 / 10.7 image on VHF as compared to a dual conversion scanner with the 1st IF of 21.4.

I can guarantee that 150.5625 is legit. This definitely is not an image.

150.6000, being so close to 150.5625 could be a frequency to question - although I still receive it clearly with perfect P25 decode with the attenuator turned on... leading me to believe it is not. It's definitely not an image of 161.300 (which is +10.7 Mhz ).

157.6425 was first noticed a few months before I noticed all teh linking going on - and it was the P25 signal present across VHF while I listened to it at that time. They were in PGH area staking out a bar one time with cars getting into positions at the corners of the end of the block the bar was on. I listened to them for a while and at that time intentionally tried to find any other activity on the band while they were talkign. I'm sure there was an input somewhere to be heard, but I was too far away for that. At any rate, since 157.6425 was used standalone back then and then only reared its head in combination with a bunch of others as the G20 approached, I have no reason to believe it isn't a legitimate transmitter of its own vs an image.

I'm not claiming that every frequency I listed is absolutely positively 100% correctly identified as an actual transmitter. But I believe that everything I listed is an actual transmitter with the exception of 150.6000 (which I'll have to check into further).

Look elsewhere? How in the world do you think I came about that list if I weren't looking elsewhere? Hearing 157.6425 initially many months back is what caused me to start searching elsewhere (and at that time for a some weeks it was the only traffic I was hearing P25). When I would hear traffic on it I would scan VHF to find others. Then one day I scanned VHF while hearing traffic on 157.6425 and that's when I started noticing a ton of other transmitters - and I attributed that to them setting up for the G20. I don't always hear all traffic on all of them, but most of the time I do.

Over the weekend i heard a lot of traffic. Today I've been listening all day and have only heard a few transmissions (and all were encrypted).

Given that these frequencies are frequently encrypted, they probably won't make for good listening even in the middle of the G20. There are probably a ton fo other frequencies in use that will prove to be far more interesting (including all the stuff the PGH Police will be using and 400 Mhz frequencies, simplex frequencies, etc).

I'm just passing along what I hear . After the G20, I might never hear anything on the majority of the frequencies.

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Joe,

As mentioned earlier, I haven't heard one iota this week on the frequencies that I originally posted. Obviously they weren't directly related to anything G20. I didn't imagine them though. I posted about them weeks ago.

You guys can be in denial and just chalk everything up to me being an idiot and hearing 10+ image frequencies (when oddly enough there was no activity on the frequencies that you guys suspect were the actual frequencies).

I won't post here anymore. Anybody who gives a rats ass about what I tried to contribute can find any further information [if I hear anything new] on my site.

Mike
 

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Ok so at 1059a I heard someone on on 452.0125 C107.2 (which I have it as Charlie/Foxtrot Units for G20) advising all units to "switch to channel 7 on their G20 radios which would read "PGH Ops"" (453.4500 C106.2) After switching to 7 I'm hearing comms that would be related to operations type activities regarding different squads (PGH FD Units) and also something concerning foot teams and LRAD deployment. I would call channel 7 on the PGH PD system a main OPS channel. Also, I just heard them mention something about trying a team on the State Police channel. So if anyone has any State PD freqs that they may be monitoring may be good as well.
 

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And I've been listening for weeks (actually much longer).

It's obvious that you deem anything you hear as fact, so I guess we won't question anything you post and will just let you sit in ignorant bliss rather than establish the facts.

There are only 4 150 MHz frequencies I questioned, not 10, but if you say there are 10, then there must be 10. I even confirmed that many of the 160 MHz frequencies are accurate, but I guess you only read the parts of my post you want to read.

I thought you said you weren't going to be so over-reactive about people questioning things. After all, that's all it is - QUESTIONING things.

There are some of your frequencies that are known to be nothing new and nothing to do with G20, and not even in PA, but I guess that was all just people out to get you.

And yes, there are frequencies many others have confirmed that are not on your list, and are part of the linked system. But, I guess your statements are facts and we who have heard things are the ones imagining it.

Funny how we can be wrong but you cannot.
I'm finished with this fantasy thread.

Joe M.

Joe,

As mentioned earlier, I haven't heard one iota this week on the frequencies that I originally posted. Obviously they weren't directly related to anything G20. I didn't imagine them though. I posted about them weeks ago.

You guys can be in denial and just chalk everything up to me being an idiot and hearing 10+ image frequencies (when oddly enough there was no activity on the frequencies that you guys suspect were the actual frequencies).

I won't post here anymore. Anybody who gives a rats ass about what I tried to contribute can find any further information [if I hear anything new] on my site.

Mike
 
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