freqhopping
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Are you getting the tower ID and WACN from Pro96Com?
Will your Pro-106 show the site ID and WACN in tune mode? Mine doesn't on VHF systems, that's why I'm asking.
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Are you getting the tower ID and WACN from Pro96Com?
Will your Pro-106 show the site ID and WACN in tune mode? Mine doesn't on VHF systems, that's why I'm asking.
mike_s104
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I've been monitor about 4 of the sites in the RRDB. I've heard no traffic at all. When I have a little bit of time, I'll put in the sites I can receive into my UniTrunker scanner.
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mike_s104
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Mike,
Are you using a discriminator tap? Or are you using PC/IF data from a PSR-500/600, PRO-197/106/96/2096 or a Uniden XT?
If the former, okay that explains using UT. If the latter, any chance you're willing to just run Pro96Com on the sites you can here and post the tower files that are created (assuming anything in them differs from what has already been posted) ?
Unitrunker will provide the necessary things, but they aren't all handily put in one screen to view like they are in a text file in Pro96Com.
Mike
Are you using a discriminator tap? Or are you using PC/IF data from a PSR-500/600, PRO-197/106/96/2096 or a Uniden XT?
If the former, okay that explains using UT. If the latter, any chance you're willing to just run Pro96Com on the sites you can here and post the tower files that are created (assuming anything in them differs from what has already been posted) ?
Unitrunker will provide the necessary things, but they aren't all handily put in one screen to view like they are in a text file in Pro96Com.
Mike
mike_s104
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It's running off a tapped old Radio Shack Patrolman mobile scanner. If you would like something from UniTrunker, just let me know.
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Basically, I just want to get confirmation on Site IDs matched with frequencies, and then site neighbors -- for each site that you are able to monitor.
Yes, others have already supplied that info, but clarification doesn't hurt. If what you have matches, oh well. If what you have shows some different things, then we know to investigate further.
If all of the sites that you monitor are ones that we think we know [based upon their naming in the RRDB], great. But if you think you are monitoring some sites that aren't tied to a specific geographic area in hte DB, it'd help if you could give an idea what site you may think that particular unidentified site is, based upon the map of sites that we currently have FCC licenses or applications for and know their locations.
Thanks
Mike
mike_s104
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I tried all the sites listed but was only able to get a somewhat OK signal on that site.
freqhopping
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I get different results on the 1-33 Middletown site when I run UT.
I have signal strength in the green and get:
LCN----------Freq
00-0395 151.9875
00-0499 152.2475
00-1651 155.1275
Pro96Com still only shows the control channel.
I have signal strength in the green and get:
LCN----------Freq
00-0395 151.9875
00-0499 152.2475
00-1651 155.1275
Pro96Com still only shows the control channel.
mike_s104
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For all of you in West Virginia, keep in mind that more First Energy / Allegheny Power / Mon Power P25 sites are coming online all the time. If you are serviced by one of those power companies, it might be wise to scan VHF (151-162 mhz specifically) for any P25 control channels for sites that aren't currently documented in the RadioReference Database.
If you've got a digital scanner and are serviced by one of the above power companies and find one or more P25 control channels, please let us know. Your scanner may or may not display enough important details on the front panel [my PRO-197 will show it's P25 but will not provide the Site ID / System ID details]. But if I run Pro96Com, I have no problem obtaining all relevant details for that particular trunked site.
The RRDB listing for this trunked system is here:
First Energy: Allegheny Power Trunking System, Various, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies
Mike
If you've got a digital scanner and are serviced by one of the above power companies and find one or more P25 control channels, please let us know. Your scanner may or may not display enough important details on the front panel [my PRO-197 will show it's P25 but will not provide the Site ID / System ID details]. But if I run Pro96Com, I have no problem obtaining all relevant details for that particular trunked site.
The RRDB listing for this trunked system is here:
First Energy: Allegheny Power Trunking System, Various, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies
Mike
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Here is what I get when I decode the infor from my nearest site. They have been booming the past couple days since we have been without power. We just got it back last night.
FileVersion:7
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 89A
System Name : First Energy
WACN : 01DB6
Tower Number (Decimal): 1195
Tower Number (Hex) : T01C3
Tower Description : (null)
Control Capabilities : Voice,Registration,Authentication
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Thu Nov 1 11:45:54 2012
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#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,151.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,164.00000,0.00250,0.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0494","c",152.23500,"00-2864",158.16000,1,0
"00-0856","v",153.14000,"00-0000",151.00000,1,0
"00-1012","v",153.53000,"00-0000",151.00000,1,0
-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
110,"T010A",89a,"01-3710",173.27500,""
135,"T0123",89a,"00-0850",153.12500,""
144,"T012C",89a,"00-0868",153.17000,""
1104,"T0168",89a,"00-0862",153.15500,""
1193,"T01C1",89a,"00-0838",153.09500,""
Bucko
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I just added a site which is now on line. License says it is located in Tyler & Wetzel co's. The License number is WQPE 881. The Display ID reads as follows SID 089Ah-0177 and the CC is 151.850. Another Site I added also License # WQPH853 CC 151.790 and display say SID 089Ah-0170. I am probably hearing is Greenwood. Tyler Co. being where I am located.
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Thanks Bucko. Do you have any way to hook that scanner up to a computer and run Pro96Com with it? That is what we really need. Otherwise, those sites are already in the DB. The only reason they weren't already labeled is that Ineeded somebody in the area to verify that those sites are always monitorable with steady signal strengths. Why? Because First Energy is reusing many frequencies at various different sites in the system. So the only way for us to know which 151.85 site it is [as an example], is to find somebody in close proximity who can turn on attenuator / see if they still copy it and things like that. VHF propagation enhancements can easily fool any of us into believing a farther away site is a closer site. That's aso why I suggest that a site be "sampled" a few days in a row just to see if the signal strength significantly increases/decreases. If it does, it's probably a farther away site.
I do agree that you are probably hearing Greenwood on 151.79 -- but ay never know, you could be hearing Terra Alta. It's a longshot, but if propagation is enhanced in that direction you just may.
Also remember the FCC records do not contain all of the sites. In fact, they contain almost none of the sites that use 152 mhz paging frequencies. So there could be sites online down there anywhere between 150 mhz and 174 mhz. You should not go only by FCC records but should actually do manual scans to find [any additional] control channels for which a license may not currently exist.
I'd be more curious to know of each VHF frequency (between 150 and 174 mhz) that you find a P25 control channel on, and then the site ID as displayed on the scanner.
I'll add the ones you mentioned in a few minutes.
Mike
For instance, 151.79 could be Greenwood, Terra Alta or Slaty Fork. It's likely Greenwood as you suggest, but it could be one of the others. Knowing what it's site neighbors are would help a lot. And that information can be obtained from Pro96Com [or Unitrunker].
151.85 could be Paden City or Glenville. Likely Paden City, but Glenville isn't that far away from you either.
Mike
151.85 could be Paden City or Glenville. Likely Paden City, but Glenville isn't that far away from you either.
Mike
Bucko,
You might also be able to hear Site 1-069 or 1-100 on 153.41 (which I believe is going to be Rockport but have not added because I am not totally certain). I do know that there is a 153.41 online in that area.
The FCC had a license for the Rockport site on one hill, and then they added a new site on a hlil less than a mile away [switching it from WIRT to WOOD county]. I suspect that's why we have previously logged 153.41 as a CC for both a Site 1-100 and a site 1-069 whilst both of those sites were indicated as neighbors of Site 1-070. So if you do pick up 153.41, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know what Site ID is being displayed for you.
Thanks
Mike
PS: If you are able to hook your scanner up to the computer but just don't know how to work with Pro96Com, shoot me a PM. I'd be glad to help you.
You might also be able to hear Site 1-069 or 1-100 on 153.41 (which I believe is going to be Rockport but have not added because I am not totally certain). I do know that there is a 153.41 online in that area.
The FCC had a license for the Rockport site on one hill, and then they added a new site on a hlil less than a mile away [switching it from WIRT to WOOD county]. I suspect that's why we have previously logged 153.41 as a CC for both a Site 1-100 and a site 1-069 whilst both of those sites were indicated as neighbors of Site 1-070. So if you do pick up 153.41, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know what Site ID is being displayed for you.
Thanks
Mike
PS: If you are able to hook your scanner up to the computer but just don't know how to work with Pro96Com, shoot me a PM. I'd be glad to help you.
Bucko
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Yes I hear 153.410 very well. Being on a hill makes it so you hear a lot and sometimes hear what you don't want to. The display for the 153.410 CC is 089Ah-0169. The other sites I mentioned have been on for a short while but didn't take time to add them till today. As for using Pro96com I never had the need to do so.
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Thanks for the info on 153.41. As for Pro96Com, I suppose that technically nobody ever has a "need" to use it. But sometimes you can find out some pretty interesting information about a system youre monitoring by using Pro96Com (talkgroups in use, including some that nobody has recently keyed up on but yet you can find out that they exist), site neighbors, etc.
An example of how knowing site neighbors is handy. If you were to run Pro96Com to obtain the site neighbors of the (which is very helpful in cases where you aren't sure where 151.79, 151.85 or 153.41 are. If you use Pro96Com and get a list of site neighbors for the Willow Island site, then knowing those site neighbors can help clarify if other sites (such as 151.79 and 151.85) are what we suspect they are.
At any rate, it isn't a requirement -- just a thought. I had already had SIte 1-070 and 1-077 in the database. There is nothing new to add to them until we can actually confirm that they are what we think they are. And I heard both of those sites direct and obtained their site neighbors a few weeks ago. The missing link is the site neighbors for Willow Island [or some farther out sites].
I'm updating my Google map of First Energy sites with a few licenses I had omitted, and then I'll toss that out there to give people in WV an idea of whether a site may exist in their particular area.
Mike
I'm up here in Franklin Co. PA . What could I do to help out ? I notice all the updates showing up on my county.
Hi Mark,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure why you see updates showing in your county. So far we don't have any [documented] First Energy trunked sites in Franklin Co. Looks like you are probably served by either Met-Ed or West Penn Power. Not sure what, if any, trunked sites may be online over in your neck of the woods for this system.
If you're willing, with just a standard ducky antenna on your PRO-96, you might consider scanning between 150-174 Mhz (including the 152 Mhz paging band) and making note of any P25 control channels that you come upon. If you come upon one or more P25 control channels, just let us know what frequencies they are on as well as what your scanner is displaying for the P25 information.
And, if you do find some P25 control channels on VHF and you have familiarity with Pro96Com and have the ability to connector your Pro-96 up to the computer to output the CC data into Pro96Com, you could get any site neighbor information available as well.
This recommendation is also the same for anyone else within the potential service area of this system.
Thanks for asking!
Mike
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