I have the DV-1 and the 5700D. HF, AM, VHF,UHF, TETRA, DMR, P25, sounds way better on the 5700D as it should. Compare the specs between the two recivers (and price) and you will see why. My DV-1 is my travel rig. 5700D is in the shack.
AR5700D First impressions
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frmichaud
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I just purchased an AR5700 in Japan the firmware is 207A D3N5 P202A and the SD card formateur dont work
What do you think MUST I rertuned To Japan, I nned your advise
Francois VE2MHF
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This is only minor problem, if you make radio reboot, you will probably able format it (just be sure, that you are formattng correct type of the card).
If you want to return the radio, I can write you list of the software problems and bugs, that AOR does not repair until today
If you want to return the radio, I can write you list of the software problems and bugs, that AOR does not repair until today
VE2XWA
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Francois, if you just started the radio you need to wait until you see SD on the screen. If not you will have an error message. I put a 32gb in my radio an it take near 1 minute before i can use it. besure to put the card before starting de radio
AOR does reuse most of their firmware code on all receivers. So the 5700D most likely uses the same slow sd mounting code as in the DV series. I have a 64gb sdcard in my Icom r8600 that mounts in the blink of a eye. They put all these Renesas cpu,s into to the 5700d while probably a lot could have be gained by writing proper code that’s not riddled with ‘bugs’
Time to wake up an old thread. While I have been strongly opposed in the past to sending a 5700d back to the mothership for firmware upgrades I finally made the decision that the current firmware is likely usable for my needs. I just received a new factory fresh receiver with firmware 403A D3N5A P403B. In the few days of ownership I find that the radio works very similar to the AR5000+3 I owned in the past with many new features.
My nits so far:
Is slightly off frequency on HF as compared to my Icom 7300, but no more than a few hertz (cycles for you OT's)
HF audio is not as pleasing as the Icom but I have not made any adjustments yet other than an external speaker.
Good software for memory management does not exist.
Blocky pixelated display. On a receiver at this price point this is a huge disappointment.
Otherwise I am content with a full featured very wide band receiver. Living in a 2 story aluminum sided condo limits my antenna selection so I need to be very selective about feeding this receiver with the type of antennas it deserves, an ongoing project.
My nits so far:
Is slightly off frequency on HF as compared to my Icom 7300, but no more than a few hertz (cycles for you OT's)
HF audio is not as pleasing as the Icom but I have not made any adjustments yet other than an external speaker.
Good software for memory management does not exist.
Blocky pixelated display. On a receiver at this price point this is a huge disappointment.
Otherwise I am content with a full featured very wide band receiver. Living in a 2 story aluminum sided condo limits my antenna selection so I need to be very selective about feeding this receiver with the type of antennas it deserves, an ongoing project.
G8OEO
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I’m now in the process of writing memory management software for my own use. Not having tried many such commercial offerings in the past I’d be interested in what folks here would consider the must have features.
So far I have managed to read a bank and then save it as a CSV file.
Can also load any foreign layout of CSV and I’m making some progress in transferring selected CSV channels over into a radio bank.
Still early days so thought I’d ask for a bit of guidance on the most desirable features.
So far I have managed to read a bank and then save it as a CSV file.
Can also load any foreign layout of CSV and I’m making some progress in transferring selected CSV channels over into a radio bank.
Still early days so thought I’d ask for a bit of guidance on the most desirable features.
John,
I use Uniden Sentinel for my SDS100 scanner, RT Systems software for my Icom radios. I really like RT Systems is I can read (download) the complete radio, make any modifications and then upload back to the radio. The Icom's are simpler than the 5700 in that it's either analog FM or D-star. The 5700 makes things more complex with all the different modes, steps, etc. Saving to CSV is a great start and hopefully you can manipulate channel variables then write it back to the 5700. I would be happy to read a single bank and write it back after making changes.
The AOR memory manager is a very slow process but it does accomplish writing to memory, no means to save to an editable file that I can see. Wayne Taylor wrote simple memory management programs for the DV1/DV10. I tried reading my 5700 with it but all that happened was that it locked my pushbuttons. I've asked him if he would take a look at the difficulty to add 5700 command protocol to his software, many are similar to the DV series.
Nick
I use Uniden Sentinel for my SDS100 scanner, RT Systems software for my Icom radios. I really like RT Systems is I can read (download) the complete radio, make any modifications and then upload back to the radio. The Icom's are simpler than the 5700 in that it's either analog FM or D-star. The 5700 makes things more complex with all the different modes, steps, etc. Saving to CSV is a great start and hopefully you can manipulate channel variables then write it back to the 5700. I would be happy to read a single bank and write it back after making changes.
The AOR memory manager is a very slow process but it does accomplish writing to memory, no means to save to an editable file that I can see. Wayne Taylor wrote simple memory management programs for the DV1/DV10. I tried reading my 5700 with it but all that happened was that it locked my pushbuttons. I've asked him if he would take a look at the difficulty to add 5700 command protocol to his software, many are similar to the DV series.
Nick
I have a 5001D, but the same software should apply to the 5700D.
You should be able use the ARL2300LOCALv4.2.9 software found here:
Once connected to the radio you can hit the memory button, select a bank, and then Export the current bank.
The program spits out a .csv which can be edited in excel.
A couple it tips that I figured out.
1. The Channel field must be 2 digits, so 1-9 must have a leading zero.
2. The frequency field must have a decimal and at least a single digit after the decimal point (for example 130.0 is good, but 130 or 130. is not)
Excel can some times reformat these fields and cause the import to fail.
The edited bank files can then be imports one bank at time.
You should be able use the ARL2300LOCALv4.2.9 software found here:
Once connected to the radio you can hit the memory button, select a bank, and then Export the current bank.
The program spits out a .csv which can be edited in excel.
A couple it tips that I figured out.
1. The Channel field must be 2 digits, so 1-9 must have a leading zero.
2. The frequency field must have a decimal and at least a single digit after the decimal point (for example 130.0 is good, but 130 or 130. is not)
Excel can some times reformat these fields and cause the import to fail.
The edited bank files can then be imports one bank at time.
I learned yesterday I could edit in the radio but this feature is even better. Thanks for letting us know.
Spent time playing with AOR IQ3 this morning. Won't allow me to enter a frequency below 87.5mhz, WTF?
Digital modes are not supported in this package, another WTF?
I'm glad I didn't invest in a new PC to run this software.....
Digital modes are not supported in this package, another WTF?
I'm glad I didn't invest in a new PC to run this software.....
A potential failure became evident recently. When pressing the power button the radio tried to start, s-meter pegged and no audio. This was correctable by powering down and re-starting again. This has happened multiple times since I received the radio so I decided to return the radio to the seller before the problem became a total failure requiring shipment back to Japan. This issue and my personal issues with the software made the return a no brainer situation. I believe I can say that I am done with AOR.
Sorry to hear that. I have had a boot error on power up two or three times but a reset clears it. My 5700D works great on a large TETRA system so I'm going to keep mine. Do you have any replacements in mind?
I have had the exact same error that wb4sqi describes 2 or 3 times on my 5001D.
A back panel power off/on fixed it.
The only other radio in my collection that I ever had to do a reset on was my AR5000 so I figured… typical AOR.
I like physical radios and after owning many AORs I have figured out how the “AOR menu system” user interface that all their radios use.
I am also curious to hear what else you are considering as a replacement?
A back panel power off/on fixed it.
The only other radio in my collection that I ever had to do a reset on was my AR5000 so I figured… typical AOR.
I like physical radios and after owning many AORs I have figured out how the “AOR menu system” user interface that all their radios use.
I am also curious to hear what else you are considering as a replacement?
Since it was ordered from Japan and exhibited this problem I wanted to head off a future repair trip back to AOR, likely not under warranty.
I have owned an Icom R8600 for a couple of years and never had any hiccups with it so I'll continue to use it. While the 5700d has a lot of features I was dismayed at the limitations imposed by the IQ-III software, no HF and no digital modes. Why have all these radio features and not be able to use them with OEM software?
Do I miss DMR? not really, my SDS200/SDS100 radios and Proscan handle that mode along with NXDN. No Tetra here unless it's a rail system and I would likely not miss hearing that.
It was a great experience but scary to own that much technology with limited means of repair and upgrade.
I have owned an Icom R8600 for a couple of years and never had any hiccups with it so I'll continue to use it. While the 5700d has a lot of features I was dismayed at the limitations imposed by the IQ-III software, no HF and no digital modes. Why have all these radio features and not be able to use them with OEM software?
Do I miss DMR? not really, my SDS200/SDS100 radios and Proscan handle that mode along with NXDN. No Tetra here unless it's a rail system and I would likely not miss hearing that.
It was a great experience but scary to own that much technology with limited means of repair and upgrade.
Nick you may want to look at Marlbrook's excellent info in an earlier post in this thread concerning using an AOR DV-1 in combination with your Icom 8600. A simple BNC to BNC connector between the DV-1 antenna jack and IC-8600 IF out allows you to tune any frequency on your 8600 and use all the available digital modes on the DV-1 to decode and listen to the frequency. I use this combo in addition to my 5700D and it works well. Of course it would require you to not be done with AOR and purchase the DV-1, LOL.
Nick, I totally agree with all your apprehensions about AOR and the 5700D in particular.
I gave up on AOR because of the DV10, and their arrogance and aggresion re. the problems it had, and Customer concerns.
However the AR-DV1 is a proven, excellent and versatile radio. I use the R8600 and DV1 all the time. In my case a BNC cable from the DV1, with an antenna switch. One side going to its own antenna, and one to the 10.7 MHz output on the R8600 via BNC cables. It does not have to be done that way, one BNC cable can be used of course, just easier then manually swapping wires.
If the two radios are connected, and the DV1's frequency set to 10.7 MHz, any frequency you have shown on the R8600 goes to the DV1, and all of the DV1's modes, Digital and Analogue are then available to the R8600, plus other functions.
One nice little 'extra' is the small 'bandspread' ability this gives, as you can also tune the DV1 a little either side of 10.7 which can on occasions be a useful 'clarifier', using the many 'steps' available on the DV1.
One turn of the antenna switch and I have two excellent independent receivers.
Not a cheap option I realise, but if invested in, one that can give superb results.
I gave up on AOR because of the DV10, and their arrogance and aggresion re. the problems it had, and Customer concerns.
However the AR-DV1 is a proven, excellent and versatile radio. I use the R8600 and DV1 all the time. In my case a BNC cable from the DV1, with an antenna switch. One side going to its own antenna, and one to the 10.7 MHz output on the R8600 via BNC cables. It does not have to be done that way, one BNC cable can be used of course, just easier then manually swapping wires.
If the two radios are connected, and the DV1's frequency set to 10.7 MHz, any frequency you have shown on the R8600 goes to the DV1, and all of the DV1's modes, Digital and Analogue are then available to the R8600, plus other functions.
One nice little 'extra' is the small 'bandspread' ability this gives, as you can also tune the DV1 a little either side of 10.7 which can on occasions be a useful 'clarifier', using the many 'steps' available on the DV1.
One turn of the antenna switch and I have two excellent independent receivers.
Not a cheap option I realise, but if invested in, one that can give superb results.
I've had two DV-1's and three DV-10's, still have a DV-10 late model. My best AOR product is an 8200 first gen model, still works great and never an issue other than the "sticky" case. At times in the past I have owned an 8600, 3000A, 5000 +3 and 8000. The last DV-10 was purchased at less than half of ebay Japanese pricing so that somewhat overcomes it's warts.
My receiving experience began with a Lafayette 4 band tube radio in the early 60's and Collins HF equipment in the early 70's courtesy of the USAF. Collins likely have set the bar for HF monitoring but after owning Yaesu, Kenwood, Drake, Ten-Tec and Icom radios my mind has convinced me the Icom 8600 is as close to Collins receive audio as I will get, with Drake "tube radios" a close second place.
In my location P25 is most prevalent with a smattering of DMR and NXDN, no Tetra that I have detected so the 8600 fits my needs without the DV-1. I use Uniden products for the P25 trunking systems which work very well, being purpose designed. Most or all of the "other" 5700 modes are wasted in my location, no usage at all.
At any rate, thank you for your comments and suggestions, all are appreciated. And thanks for allowing me to vocalize my love/hate relationship with AOR.
I have the 8200D. Purchased after my DV-10 was returned . The best upgrade on the D model is the expensive slot cards are no longer needed. Digital is P25 phase 1 which my local town still uses. I don't use it for that much, I mostly use it for vhf/uhf airband. I would have bought the AR-7400 but it died in production . AOR needs to step their game up.
How well does it decode P25? My experience with AOR is the DV-1/DV-10 and 5700D didn't work as well on P25 as Uniden products.
