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First Mini SSB-capable CB
- Thread starter slowmover
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smithdoor
Member
I have tried sideband in 1980’s.
It just costly then. It probably be popular today if lower in cost then.
Dave
The Luiton LT-310SDR arrived today. I'll get started on a video next week. Currently recovering from a fight with a flu virus. I'm winning... slowly.
niceguy71
Active Member
I'm really looking forward to it..... make sure you do a range test... it shows what's possible with that radio.
this is a range test I did on my 6.90 watt AM Radioddity CS-47 ( it does 15 watts on FM )
I showed all the features and the power, then talked to the locals on my Base station then plugged it into my F-150 cigarette lighter plug and plugged in my Tram 3500 Antenna on the roof..... then I drove out to the Wendy's about 10 miles away from my base station and recorded how it did every mile or so. ( mileage as the crow flies using google maps )
this video is set to start playing at 23:56 showing the on line talk to the locals and then my complaint that it didn't have a NB on that radio.... then I went on the road test.... it was staticky to hear after 7 miles, but I could make it out pretty good, even over 9 miles ( it sounded acceptable at 9 miles away )
so this is just a suggestion on a range test... this starts after the intro, features and power test at 23.56 .. then the actual range test starts at 29:20 ... not that you need any ideas... but just a suggestion
I was going to use channel 14 but it was very busy so I used 33 as it was about the only channel not in use.
EDIT: this is back when I had my NR set at RX #2 .... I have since found RX #5 gets rid of ALL the static and noise and is night and day in my video tests! ... I wish I had the NR set on #5 as this range test video would have sounded much better
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niceguy71
Active Member
this is the range test portion of my review on the Midland 75-822 ...... TWO IN ONE handheld CB walkie talkie
this starts where I showed it getting 4 miles as a walkie talkie... then I plugged the included car adapter on it, to make it a vehicle CB and the top of the radio becomes a vehicle microphone, I then took it to the Texas Road House for supper. it did FAR better than I could have ever imagined!!!!! it got 9.33 miles
most of my videos show me going out to eat at some restaurant or doughnut shop ... kind of my trade mark.
the vehicle range test was a fantastic part of the review.
smithdoor
Member
I call box range
My Cobra HH50WXST give rage of 1½ to 4 miles using a rubber duck 🦆. I know only under best condition maybe 4 miles. But it more lik 1 miles .
I switched the antenna for telescoping 50 inch antenna I can easily get 5 miles. The rubber duck 🦆 sits in a draw for a project.
Dave
niceguy71
Active Member
Well Dave,
My videos are just how my handheld radios work for me . No bull
My base station is 50 feet in the air to the tip and the base station radio has an incredible receiver.
I don't go out in heavy skip conditions,
I normally go out first thing in the morning when CB"ers are still asleep.... if you watched all the midland 75-832 video you will see I did go out that particular day in the mid day when conditions were bad. It struggled a bit but still made 3 miles then my camera broke so a different night I went to finish it at the 4 mile location and it was very clear.
I've had handheld CB's talking to. Handheld CB's from 3 miles away
niceguy71
Active Member
Dave
Here is my Cobra HH 50 handheld CB range test in bad conditions and it still made 4 miles
No bull it's what I can do in my area
smithdoor
Member
I have gotten over 20 mile with ½ wave antenna. But live in city and had wish it would make 4 miles on rubber duck 🦆.
When had my ranch it would easy to get great range , nothing in way for miles .
No cellphone service
Dave
smithdoor
Member
smithdoor
Member
I have own pass Cobra 29 and two 75WXST . The Cobra and one 75WXST cuts cord and ran away. The next Cobra 75WXST was hidden including the antenna it look like fancy am fm radio antenna. I had the 75WXST from 2001 till last year when sold my truck..
I did found downside to 29 was in rush hour traffic or LA trying make adjustments as driving 🚘
slowmover
Active Member
“ . . I did find the downside . . was in rush hour traffic or in LA in trying make adjustments while driving 🚘.”
That’s what kills these mini-SSB radios as a choice for mobile. They’re a bad choice in that.
The no-compromise small size QT80 (here, mounted alongside the console) has the required controls on the face where taking one’s eyes from the road isn’t needed.
Its performance isn't exceeded.
1). The low-risk/best time road trip can only be executed with a pre-dawn start. The conditions then, and again nearer noon, and last by mid-afternoon just prior to the days stop will all need radio adjustments. Any major metro region, the same. (Yet more apply; they compound).
2). Given that a mobile antenna system shouldn’t ever be compromised (as it’s a far cry from what a base station can do) there’s also little point to a radio which can’t take advantage of this.
Degrading one’s capabilities is a mistake: the classic short antenna and/or a poor radio in the set-up (before quality install), but believes he can answer, What is Citizen Band?, despite that experience is with a kids 12V walkie-talkie.
— When it matters is when every last feature of performance counts.
$249.95 latest flash bundle sale is an unreal bargain for QT80 (similar for competitors). On top of which is that spending more won’t yield further advantage.
Mini-SSB looks more like portable.
Comparison to Randy is more realistic.
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That’s what kills these mini-SSB radios as a choice for mobile. They’re a bad choice in that.
The no-compromise small size QT80 (here, mounted alongside the console) has the required controls on the face where taking one’s eyes from the road isn’t needed.
Its performance isn't exceeded.
1). The low-risk/best time road trip can only be executed with a pre-dawn start. The conditions then, and again nearer noon, and last by mid-afternoon just prior to the days stop will all need radio adjustments. Any major metro region, the same. (Yet more apply; they compound).
2). Given that a mobile antenna system shouldn’t ever be compromised (as it’s a far cry from what a base station can do) there’s also little point to a radio which can’t take advantage of this.
Degrading one’s capabilities is a mistake: the classic short antenna and/or a poor radio in the set-up (before quality install), but believes he can answer, What is Citizen Band?, despite that experience is with a kids 12V walkie-talkie.
— When it matters is when every last feature of performance counts.
$249.95 latest flash bundle sale is an unreal bargain for QT80 (similar for competitors). On top of which is that spending more won’t yield further advantage.
Mini-SSB looks more like portable.
Comparison to Randy is more realistic.
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smithdoor
Member
Nice looking
l like knobs
The Cobra S19 is push button or volume control knob.
The HH50WXST has knobs and automatic.
The 75WXST was knob and push button no double up on knobs you make all the adjustments driving .
I did like how Cobra 29 was everthing had own knob . But take eyes off road to make adjustments
Dave
smithdoor
Member
I will say the Cobra HH50WXST is simple it lacks a few adjustments that nice have.
The main advantage is portable and easy to different vehicle. You drive can not I have mic but per CHP it has bolt in too.
Dave
smithdoor
Member
Great video 📹
Test was in open/farm land
Both antennas are same one I have.
Best I have even seen with Rubber Duck 🦆 Antenna
Thank you
Dave
smithdoor
Member
It is fantastic the range with Cobra Rubber Duck 🦆 Antenna on the HH50WXST
I know I read some where the out put at antenna 3.74 watts or 35.78 db (4 watt is 36 db) not lot on different in calculations. I have no real way test this out.
Here screen shot of one locations.
I did my testing city asking for cross streets.
Nothing beats real life
Today's gasoline prices
Here sample of just one page of many formula on range.
I have books.
This just one page Then lots of tables too
Dave
Yesterday I sent an inquiry to AnyTone about sending me the AT-5000 for a video review. 
niceguy71
Active Member
best review of the Luiton LT-310SDR I've seen yet
I wish someone would do a range test ... just for an idea of how it does.
I REALLY wish someone would show the wattage.... is it 7 watts Dead Key? or is it 7 watts PEP ???
the specs show 7 watts AM FM and 15 Watts SSB
if it's 7 watts PEP that would mean 7 divided by 4 = 1.75 watt dead key
if it's 7 watts dead key .. .... well with 100% modulation it's 4 times the dead key.....it would be 4 times 7 = 28 watts peak????
most radios I see list the FM at peak..........
many radios say 15 watts on FM / SSB and 4 watts AM ( 4 watts AM swinging up around 16 watts would make sense ) to me that means the AM and FM are pretty equal .... as AM swings up to 15 or 16 and the FM is rated at 15 watts
but with this radio listing 7 watts AM and 7 watts FM ... I wonder what the AM truly is??
my Radioddity CS-47 was 3.50 watts on AM and FM before the mod.... everything I read "say's" after the Mod AM is 8 watts and FM is 15.... after I did the mod AM was 6.90 watts and FM was 15 watts ( I did two different CS-47 radios )
I just don't want to take a 6.90 watt tiny radio out of the Jeep and put in something less ( my friend would hardly ever use SSB, if ever) and things are working good right now... the FM on the CS-47 allows us to talk quite a ways away.. further than the 6.90 AM watts allows.... but is the CS-47's 15 watts on FM more than the 7 watts of the Luiton LT-310SDR???
I wish someone would do a range test ... just for an idea of how it does.
I REALLY wish someone would show the wattage.... is it 7 watts Dead Key? or is it 7 watts PEP ???
the specs show 7 watts AM FM and 15 Watts SSB
if it's 7 watts PEP that would mean 7 divided by 4 = 1.75 watt dead key
if it's 7 watts dead key .. .... well with 100% modulation it's 4 times the dead key.....it would be 4 times 7 = 28 watts peak????
most radios I see list the FM at peak..........
many radios say 15 watts on FM / SSB and 4 watts AM ( 4 watts AM swinging up around 16 watts would make sense ) to me that means the AM and FM are pretty equal .... as AM swings up to 15 or 16 and the FM is rated at 15 watts
but with this radio listing 7 watts AM and 7 watts FM ... I wonder what the AM truly is??
my Radioddity CS-47 was 3.50 watts on AM and FM before the mod.... everything I read "say's" after the Mod AM is 8 watts and FM is 15.... after I did the mod AM was 6.90 watts and FM was 15 watts ( I did two different CS-47 radios )
I just don't want to take a 6.90 watt tiny radio out of the Jeep and put in something less ( my friend would hardly ever use SSB, if ever) and things are working good right now... the FM on the CS-47 allows us to talk quite a ways away.. further than the 6.90 AM watts allows.... but is the CS-47's 15 watts on FM more than the 7 watts of the Luiton LT-310SDR???
Yeah they sent me HIS tracking info. by mistake. Showed delivered in Boone NC. I got mine the next day. I like his videos.
K6GBW
Off Grid Kid
Man, the receive audio on that little thing sounds really good. I may have to install a second NMO mount on my Subaru and put one of those alongside the center console. I can see me spending hours playing with that on long interstate trips!
