FPS not in database?

[OpSec]

I've got to be missing something here...I think.

Federal Protective Service (FPS) has a Wiki page here, but I don't see it in the database to actually scan. To that end, I don't see a Homeland Security section in the database under federal agencies either.

What am I missing?

 

[ecps92]

I've got to be missing something here...I think.

Federal Protective Service (FPS) has a Wiki page here, but I don't see it in the database to actually scan. To that end, I don't see a Homeland Security section in the database under federal agencies either.

What am I missing?

Depends on where you look and who is/was the DB Admin when it was originally submitted
Some will be at a single County Level, others at the State Level

Federal (Suffolk County) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
FPS is here for Boston and Homeland, again depending on the DB Admin is left under the actual agencies vs the Parent. Same as where you find FBI but not DOJ

Maine Federal (Maine) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for Maine Federal (Maine)

www.radioreference.com

and if nothing for your area, then no one has made a submission based on actual OTA confirmations

 

[RaleighGuy]

Interesting side note here, I was sure I had submitted FPS for Raleigh NC/Wake County, as well as the Federal Court Security, but I too am not seeing it. Am I missing something?

 

[ai8o]

I've got to be missing something here...I think.

Federal Protective Service (FPS) has a Wiki page here, but I don't see it in the database to actually scan. To that end, I don't see a Homeland Security section in the database under federal agencies either.

What am I missing?

I don't know where you are, so i don't know if this applies to your area.

You might want to check listings for other federal agencies.

Sometimes Outside of the big, built up metro areas, agencies share radio facilities.

FPS + GSA because al their workers are in the same buildings.

FPS+ US Marshals in Federal courthouses.
The marshals are in the courtrooms, and the FPS are security for the rest of the building.

Or in really small towns, they might be on local law enforcement channels like VIPER in North Carolina, or ALMR in Alaska.

Also, because of the low volume of activity, and/ or the lack of monitors outside of metro areas, maybe no one has noticed them.

 

[OpSec]

I found them finally in the statewide "Other Federal" listing. At least for me, it looks like some DB cleanup is in my future. We should at least have each parent agency as a subsection.

 

[ecps92]

I found them finally in the statewide "Other Federal" listing. At least for me, it looks like some DB cleanup is in my future. We should at least have each parent agency as a subsection.

IMHO - we only need the Agency, not the Parents.

FEMA not DHS FEMA
FBI not DOJ FBI
Civil Air Patrol not US Air Force Auxilliary

keep it simple, otherwise you are now also having to do edits for all the US Forestry, USFWS, BLM etc

ITs not like the FBI Yells, "Halt/Stop - Department of Justice Federal Bureau of ....."

With the above said, a closer review of these would be in order, as some are under the County, but cover a wider area
But then if it's for an Airport Only then it make sense for the County aspect

 

[OpSec]

I get it...it's deep rabbit hole.

In my little piece of the DB there are some listed under parents, some listed by themselves and some listed as "other" leaving no consistency. I checked the admin handbook for pointers and will clean it up as best possible without making it too messy.

 

[ecps92]

I get it...it's deep rabbit hole.

In my little piece of the DB there are some listed under parents, some listed by themselves and some listed as "other" leaving no consistency. I checked the admin handbook for pointers and will clean it up as best possible without making it too messy.

Yup and then many that have gone P25 but no one has reported/shared and are still left under the ole PL

 

[RaleighGuy]

With the above said, a closer review of these would be in order, as some are under the County, but cover a wider area
But then if it's for an Airport Only then it make sense for the County aspect

Speaking for my area, our federal Courthouse has a FPS car in front, but doesn't use the FPS frequencies, it uses a Courthouse security frequency, and while the US Post Office has FPS the frequency is shared with other states. However, in my opinion, if I was local listening, I wouldn't think about checking in another state's database, or even in another federal listing when my county has a federal listing section for the county. It really does get confusing. And, I won't even mention our DHS/CBP vote scan frequency with no voice.

 

[rgchristy]

The problem that I have, and this is especially with the FPS, is that I "believe" that the frequencies that I'm hearing are FPS, based on past usage, prior to 24/7 ENC, but the NACs are used by five different agencies.

On top of that, I've seen the same RID range used by ICE.

I can't, with a great deal of certainty tell you what I'm hearing and I don't like to submit things that I'm not sure of.

 

[es93546]

keep it simple, otherwise you are now also having to do edits for all the US Forestry, USFWS, BLM etc

First of all there is no federal agency called "US Forestry." It is the U.S. Forest Service.

keep it simple, otherwise you are now also having to do edits for all the US Forestry, USFWS, BLM etc

I don't understand this comment. Are you saying that these natural resource agencies should not be listed on a statewide federal agency page? How is making it simple avoiding having to edit these natural resource agencies?

To me the ideal statewide federal agency database page should, as you say, avoid listing by department. I think that people aren't oriented toward the cabinet departments when they want to look an agency. Often times the listings have the first letter of the agency in alphabetical order and avoid listings of U.S. as everything would be lumped there if they did. So the BLM is near the top, right after "Bureau of Indian Affairs, "Forest Service" is right after "Fish and Wildlife Service" and "National Park Service" is further down the page with other agencies between F and N are listed in alphabetical order. Examples are the Geological Survey (Department of the Interior), National Marine Fisheries Service (within he National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the Department of Commerce). So there are a lot of ways to organize the federal agencies. I'm biased toward the natural resource agencies so I would rather see them grouped together. Some state federal agency pages organize them that way.

The worst listings have ALL federal agencies in the county listings. The disadvantage is you have to look in a bunch of counties searching for the agencies you are interested in. A time consuming process. I had to do this in one Midwestern state while looking for a National Forest.

 

[ecps92]

The problem that I have, and this is especially with the FPS, is that I "believe" that the frequencies that I'm hearing are FPS, based on past usage, prior to 24/7 ENC, but the NACs are used by five different agencies.

On top of that, I've seen the same RID range used by ICE.

I can't, with a great deal of certainty tell you what I'm hearing and I don't like to submit things that I'm not sure of.

Well, we do know ICE/BP/C/HSI are VHF and FPS is UHF so that helps with the FREQ/NAC/RID issue
and, as has been said across multiple prior threads, there is no FEDERAL standard - plan for RID's - only Agency Plans/Patterns

 

[dave3825]

It should start at the County level (where its in use). State level is for Statewide.

The worst listings have ALL federal agencies in the county listings.

The disadvantage is you have to look in a bunch of counties searching for the agencies you are interested in. A time consuming process.

I had to do this in one Midwestern state while looking for a National Forest.

Have you tried the search feature?

 

[ecps92]

First of all there is no federal agency called "US Forestry." It is the U.S. Forest Service.

keep it simple, otherwise you are now also having to do edits for all the US Forestry, USFWS, BLM etc

I don't understand this comment. Are you saying that these natural resource agencies should not be listed on a statewide federal agency page? How is making it simple avoiding having to edit these natural resource agencies?

To me the ideal statewide federal agency database page should, as you say, avoid listing by department. I think that people aren't oriented toward the cabinet departments when they want to look an agency. Often times the listings have the first letter of the agency in alphabetical order and avoid listings of U.S. as everything would be lumped there if they did. So the BLM is near the top, right after "Bureau of Indian Affairs, "Forest Service" is right after "Fish and Wildlife Service" and "National Park Service" is further down the page with other agencies between F and N are listed in alphabetical order. Examples are the Geological Survey (Department of the Interior), National Marine Fisheries Service (within he National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in the Department of Commerce). So there are a lot of ways to organize the federal agencies. I'm biased toward the natural resource agencies so I would rather see them grouped together. Some state federal agency pages organize them that way.

The worst listings have ALL federal agencies in the county listings. The disadvantage is you have to look in a bunch of counties searching for the agencies you are interested in. A time consuming process. I had to do this in one Midwestern state while looking for a National Forest.

No need to nit-pick, the party to who it was posted to understands what was implied, yes, we know it is the Dept of Agriculture as the parent and then US Forest Service and my reference was to lump in those agencies into a group for the purpose of the email

Yes, in my opinion, the FEDERAL should be one listing under the state, let the users then decide what they can/can not hear, especially when Sites Cover (not transmit location, but operational coverage) multiple counties. Heck my local $167 Agency has a Repeater in One County, but it is the operational site for 3 counties...

 

[dave3825]

As far as FPS (Federal Protective Service) goes, its name should also be uniform and correct across the board. There are a few entries where FPS is named Federal Protection Service instead of Federal Protective service as it should be.











I just made submissions for the two to be changed.

 

[krokus]

IMHO - we only need the Agency, not the Parents.

FEMA not DHS FEMA
FBI not DOJ FBI

Grouping under the parent agencies might work, to reflect organizational structures, yet keep the desired agency easier to find.

 

[ecps92]

Grouping under the parent agencies might work, to reflect organizational structures, yet keep the desired agency easier to find.

True but then when an agency moves, all the DB Admin's need to make more edits.
ie: When USSS gets finally moved back out of DHS... to hopefully the Treasury again

Why add more work to what they need to perform

 

[RaleighGuy]

Grouping under the parent agencies might work, to reflect organizational structures, yet keep the desired agency easier to find.

IMHO This would just create more confusion, reading through the many posts in the forums where people have difficulties finding obvious responses and information leads me to believe many wouldn't know if DHS was a parent or separate agency, was ICE part of CBP, but I don't see USSS anywhere, and much more. Keep it listed by agency name, not parents please.

 

[ecps92]

IMHO This would just create more confusion, reading through the many posts in the forums where people have difficulties finding obvious responses and information leads me to believe many wouldn't know if DHS was a parent or separate agency, was ICE part of CBP, but I don't see USSS anywhere, and much more. Keep it listed by agency name, not parents please.

Federal (Suffolk County) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for Federal (Suffolk County)

www.radioreference.com

 

[ecps92]

IMHO This would just create more confusion, reading through the many posts in the forums where people have difficulties finding obvious responses and information leads me to believe many wouldn't know if DHS was a parent or separate agency, was ICE part of CBP, but I don't see USSS anywhere, and much more. Keep it listed by agency name, not parents please.

Some are there, others not.
ie: Boston has more than that one actively in use, just not added to the RRDB and many Repeaters spread across the Commonwealth
that are rarely heard, unless they are working in that area... which is why honestly they should be under Statewide, but then New England is smaller compare to those West of the M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I, so one stop shopping doesn't fit....