If I hold on a P25 trunked TG and listen, the audio comes out later than when I monitor the same TG on DSD+. What would cause about a 1-2 second delay in the audio coming through? Is there a setting?
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G5 TG Audio Delay
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jtwalker
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Voice buffering
You have voice buffering turned on. You can turn it off from the settings on the pager, or with PPS. You will get a popup warning, but just ignore it and click ok.
Got it. Well, that warning pop-up says it'll cutoff the beginning of transmissions:
So I think I need to do this on every TG?
So I think I need to do this on every TG?
Also, is there an easy way to turn off voice buffering for every zone/knob position all in one shot without having to go in and out of each one?
jtwalker
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No, has to be done for every knob position individually.
All of the TG's should be set to tone and none anyway. If you have a more than 50 or so TG's to modify, you can speed up the process by exporting to a .csv first. You can then edit the first TG in the row and highlight the changes, and then fill down. Once that's done, just import it back into PPS.
Ah, bummer about the knob. Yeah you're right, I did figure out the export/import thing with the .csv's and it worked good. But with over 40 zones, I've got some work to do. 
Thanks for the replies.
Thanks for the replies.
Actually, I think there's another problem. When you import from the .csv, you have to decide whether or not to delete the old data:
If you do check the box, then your zones get an error and you'll have to go and re-add your TGs to your Talk Group List in every knob position:
If you don't check the box, the import just adds all the TG data to the end of the TGID List in tab E2 and you get everything duplicated. I had 684 TGs, now I have 1,368:
Using multi-select to delete the old ones:
Results in the same knob position errors.
If you do check the box, then your zones get an error and you'll have to go and re-add your TGs to your Talk Group List in every knob position:
If you don't check the box, the import just adds all the TG data to the end of the TGID List in tab E2 and you get everything duplicated. I had 684 TGs, now I have 1,368:
Using multi-select to delete the old ones:
Results in the same knob position errors.
I've been testing this out by doing a side-by-side comparison with DSD+ Fast Lane. There's a number of times where the G5 will miss the first part of a transmission that came through on DSD+ regardless of whether Voice Buffering is on or off. Many times I'll hear the whole transmission on DSD+, but the first word or 2 is missed on the G5. Setting the Alert Mode to Tone or None and Alert Tone to None makes no difference no matter which way you set it.
This is concerning. If anything, you would think it would be best to set Alert Mode to None so there's no chance of a delay or chop-off, despite that warning prompt. Why would that prompt tell us to set it to Tone if we want no tone at all and no chance of a clipped transmission? I also don't understand what the prompt is talking about where it fers to this "Private Call ID Setting". I'm not seeing that anywhere. Doesn't make sense. But like I said, I still get delayed unmutes on the G5 compared to DSD+ when holding on the same TG no matter what setting.
This is concerning. If anything, you would think it would be best to set Alert Mode to None so there's no chance of a delay or chop-off, despite that warning prompt. Why would that prompt tell us to set it to Tone if we want no tone at all and no chance of a clipped transmission? I also don't understand what the prompt is talking about where it fers to this "Private Call ID Setting". I'm not seeing that anywhere. Doesn't make sense. But like I said, I still get delayed unmutes on the G5 compared to DSD+ when holding on the same TG no matter what setting.
jtwalker
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Initially you asked about a delay and now you are talking about missing the beginning of transmission. I believe voice buffering will cause both of these, with it being on to cause one and off to cause the other. Not sure, but this is my understanding.
Which version of firmware are you running? Lots of folks with older pagers that have upgraded firmware to V2.0+ have experienced issues.
Firmware 2.02, bought the pager a little over a year ago.
If the hardware has the new chipset it will have an "N" in the model number and also show G5N on tab E1 on PPS. If it has the older chipset, you will most likely get rid of your issues by downgrading to V1.35 as many others have done.
Can confirm that my G4 pagers on V1.33 and V1.35 with voice buffering on and 3 with it off, do not miss calls. Nor do i miss the first few seconds. Tested against SDS100, KNG2-P800, APX and on multiple different systems.
Your issue might be with V2xx software.
Your issue might be with V2xx software.
ErikSwan
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Yep, it's a massive pain when you are trying to update talkgroup information. I haven't found a way around that yet. There is probably a way to manually edit the saved profile on disk without using PPS, but I haven't had the time to investigate what format it is in.Actually, I think there's another problem. When you import from the .csv, you have to decide whether or not to delete the old data:
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If you do check the box, then your zones get an error and you'll have to go and re-add your TGs to your Talk Group List in every knob position:
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If you don't check the box, the import just adds all the TG data to the end of the TGID List in tab E2 and you get everything duplicated. I had 684 TGs, now I have 1,368:
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Using multi-select to delete the old ones:
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Results in the same knob position errors.
Danny37
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Any update to this cause I have a similar problem on my pager as well. I miss about 1 word from the beginning of the transmission. Voice buffering is on and I just bought the pager recently so everything is updated firmware/software wise.
See my videos here on our local P25 System. With Voice Buffering on or off still missing the first word or so at times. It's seems to do a little better with Voice Buffering OFF.
Danny37
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Bummer
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