Goodbye to Police codes??

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RolnCode3 said:
I feel, though, that there should be standardization. IACP (International Chiefs of Police), APCO, or even the State's POST agency should create a 10 code (so it could be nationwide by IACP, or statewide by the POST). And then have legislation requiring either the use of plain text or the use of the standardized 10-code.

Hi Bill,

Therein lies the rub. We haven't been able to get counties in the same area to agree on the same codes let alone have everyone in the US on board with the same codes. Seems like it shouldn't be this difficult but I guess it is.

Like I wrote, I did like the use of vehicle and penal codes. It was a lot easier to remember what to write on a citation when I was dispatched to a 22350 call than if it was just called speeding. :)
 

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And there is the difference of law enforcement versus fire and EMS usage.

In the fire and EMS services, its even more useless to use 10 codes. I can see where law enforcement may hold quarter with it, but in essence it is the interdisciplinary communications that it becomes an issue; police and fire working together under unified command structures.

Officer safety issues can be dealt with in other fashions than 10 codes....and should be as those codes are often available for public consumption in many areas specifically, as well as on the Internet. I agree that if they were to be used, they should be uniform and standardized. However, APCO tried that some years ago and it is apparent it didn't work in some areas.

Either way, most of us that have been on the road for more than 10 years realize both sides of the issue. I do know 10 codes, but have never been fond of them; I used them because I had to at certain jobs. But then I was put into a position where I had to make the choice whether or not they would be used and I chose...not.
 

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khvfdff said:
PSometimes I think some people are just to darn lazy to learn stuff like that and thats because they dont want to do it.

It was fun enough when I was active duty army and reserve police for the town I lived in off base to remember the two different phonetic alphabets. With every duty station change and to a different department with a different set of codes and cyphers it was an adventure in confusion.
 

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I agree with all of you... I feel like some do on here that they can and should be used except on multi jurisdictional calls. Yeah I also understand some criminals are going to probably know the 10 codes and stuff. Like I have said before I just feel it is easier and more professional using those codes... I would much rather say something with a number than having to worry about whether i get my self tongue tied
 

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The straight skinny on plain talk

The 10 codes are, as mandated by the feds, to go to plain talk in case of a national emergency. Until then, the 10 codes can still be used. It has not been ordered by the government until such time. Plain talk is still up to your local department. However, if your depatment does not use plain talk during a national emergency, they can lose all federal funds for Homeland Security grants. So if they go to plain talk now, be known it wasn't a forced issue at the present. That's it in a nutshell.
 
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69Mopar said:
The 10 codes are, as mandated by the feds, to go to plain talk in case of a national emergency. Until then, the 10 codes can still be used. It has not been ordered by the government until such time. Plain talk is still up to your local department. However, if your depatment does not use plain talk during a national emergency, they can lose all federal funds for Homeland Security grants. So if they go to plain talk now, be known it wasn't a forced issue at the present. That's it in a nutshell.

Do you have a link to this supposed federal rule? I have never seen any such criteria for HS grants. In addition, national emergency is a pretty ill-defined term. Was 9/11 a declared national emergency and, if so, by whom?

The issue is not national emergencies. It's two agencies working together on something as relatively small as a stolen vehicle. If they are from adjoining counties, they may very well not use the same 10 codes. Heck, we have cities here that don't uses the same 10 code as the next adjacent city. This is an officer safety issue, as well as continuing point of confusion. The problem is that the use of codes is ingrained, especially in those of us that put in a lot of years, that we'll never get past it until plain English is mandated.

Let me give you a small example. I was visting my SIL in Cincinnati a few years ago. A neigbor's audible burglar alarm went off. I called it in to the Hamilton County S.O. By the time a deputy arrived, the alarm had apparently reset since it was no longer sounding. The deputy stopped by the house to get more information on the location of the alarm since I was the RP. I told him I heard a "459 Adam" from the house two door south. He stared at me for a few seconds and then we both started to laugh. He knew I must be a cop from somewhere else and I had forgotten to switch to plain English because a "459 Adam" was so much a part of my vocabulary...but it meant nothing in Hamilton County, Ohio. It was a funny incident at the time but it wouldn't have been so funny if we were both working a case and from different jurisdictions using different codes.
 

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I know use of ICS, NIMS and SEMS is required for federal and state money here in CA. Those have taken hold...why couldn't a standardization of codes as well? Pipe dream I guess.

Some of us take the time to learn the codes for adjoining jurisdictions, but the average officer has no interest or time to learn it...
 

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RolnCode3 said:
I know use of ICS, NIMS and SEMS is required for federal and state money here in CA. Those have taken hold...why couldn't a standardization of codes as well? Pipe dream I guess.

Some of us take the time to learn the codes for adjoining jurisdictions, but the average officer has no interest or time to learn it...
As the ICS system was developed in response to incidents in California, it is no surprise that it has "taken hold" there. As to why codes are not used, consider this from the ICS basic course:
The ability to communicate within the ICS is absolutely critical. An essential method for ensuring the ability to communicate is by using common terminology and clear text.

A critical part of an effective multiagency incident management system is for all communications to be in plain English. That is, use clear text. Do not use radio codes, agency-specific codes, or jargon.
(bolding is in the course)
 

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Do you have a link to this supposed federal rule? I have never seen any such criteria for HS grants. In addition, national emergency is a pretty ill-defined term. Was 9/11 a declared national emergency and, if so, by whom?

http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=19&id=26605

The Federal Emergency Management Agency recently announced that they were going to try and discourage the use of radio code systems by public safety agencies by denying federal funds to agencies that were not compliant with the National Incident Management System (NIMS). Then, a week or so later, they changed their minds and said that local agencies can continue to use their codes until they get involved in a big inter-agency operation, at which time they have to go back to plain speech. Their rationale is that these radio code systems are so diverse and inconsistent that fire, police and EMS departments that might need to work together on an incident might not be able to understand each other over the radio.


All it takes is a quick sampling of public safety radio traffic around the country (try entering "police scanner" into Google) to determine that there is about zero consistency in radio procedures. Phonetic alphabets (i.e. able, baker, charlie, etc.), abbreviations, call signs, and even whether the unit calling says their call sign first or last vary tremendously from one place to another. Even the generic terms for the things you're told to do are different. At one department, you get "jobs," where at another they are "runs." Then there are "calls," "assignments," and "missions." They all mean the same thing, but use the wrong term and everyone will look at you funny, if they understand what you’re talking about at all.

Some codes have been adopted as part of the popular culture vernacular. "187" is the California Penal Code for murder, and is commonly used on the radio by police in that state, but it has been adopted by street gangs everywhere as a reference to killing or killers. Actually, the California Penal Code (PC) has been incorporated into a number of jargon terms, maybe because most of its sections are only three digits long and easy to remember. The PC for "disturbing the peace" is used to describe an officer who is prone to aggravate an unstable situation by saying he has a "415 personality." Another section referring to a forcible sex act made it into verse: "Wine me, dine me, 289 me."

Some folks think that the venerable ten-code, made famous by Broderick Crawford in the TV series Highway Patrol ("2150, 10-4." That one really dates me.) should be the standard because it's well, standard.. Unfortunately, it's not. There are as many versions of the ten-code as there are outfits using it. An officer at a 10-10 in one part of the country is at his home, where the other is in the middle of a fight. Well, maybe those could be the same things…

The proposed solution is to have all radio traffic in plain speech, where a traffic accident is called a "traffic accident," not a 10-50 or an 11-80. There are good intentions there, but it’s sure going to take some of the charm out of law enforcement. Every culture has its jargon, and the cop culture has more than most. As with the Penal Code examples given above, many of these insider terms are based on radio codes.

This isn’t too surprising, as the police radio is such a common thread in the life of a law enforcement officer. It’s always there, for better or worse. At least two successful cop shows, Adam-12 and Police Story, began with clips of radio traffic to set the theme. The radio can be heard in the background at just about any cop shop. You’ll even find a lot of police officers with scanners at their homes, just because they feel more comfortable with that constant chatter ongoing.

The radio codes actually did have a purpose, although time and technology have made them largely obsolete. When communications technology was not as refined as it is today, it was frequently difficult to understand what people were saying. Ten codes, beginning with a hard consonant, had "punch" to make them come through more clearly, and the number reduced the air time required to communicate a message. The codes also made it more difficult for outsiders to know what the cops were saying, which provided a tactical advantage. But now, radio transmissions are much clearer and easier to understand, and any crook worth his salt knows what most of the codes mean. Scanner buffs who listen to public safety channels for hours on end either figure out the codes or get a list of the ones used locally from the counter guy at Radio Shack.

The amount of unintended information that goes out over the radio was made clear to me one morning. I was heading back to the station at the end of a graveyard watch when I came on an auto-pedestrian accident that had just occurred. A drunk driver had jumped the curb and struck an older man who was walking down to the river to fish. I went to the victim and asked if he was all right, and he told me, very calmly, that he thought his leg was broken. I pulled out my portable radio and started to request an ambulance for him. "Reno, 7598…" His face lit up and he said, "7598? You’re the DUI guy! They never let you alone!" He usually stayed up all night, listening to his scanner. He knew the names of most of the officers associated with their call signs, a lot about their personalities and what other officers thought of them, and what areas of town they worked. Had we ever gone to encrypted radios (which is the most often suggested remedy for keeping radio traffic confidential), he would have had to find a new hobby.

If we ever wind up dumping the radio codes entirely, as as we might have to one day, life will go on. We’ll still talk to each other, and there will be one less list of items for police recruits to memorize in the academy (however, veterans who used the old codes will have a "secret language" to use for years to come). Joint operations will run more smoothly because everyone will use the same procedures and vocabularies. But it won’t be as colorful, and I think I'll miss it when it's gone.




Tim Dees is the editor-in-chief of Officer.com. Dees worked in law enforcement for 15 years with the City of Reno, Nevada and later with the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe of Nevada serving primarily as a uniformed patrol officer and sergeant. He has also served as a field training officer in DUI enforcement, as an instructor at the police academy and in-service training programs, and as a drug influence recognition expert. From 1994 to 2001, he was a criminal justice professor at colleges in Wisconsin, West Virginia, Georgia, and Oregon.


Dees was most recently a regional training coordinator for the Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training (DPSST), based in Pendleton. He holds a master of science degree in criminal justice from The University of Alabama, the Certified Protection Professional credential from the American Society for Industrial Security (ASIS), and is a Certified Law Enforcement Trainer with the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers (ASLET).
 

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Casey,
Without getting into quoting parts of the article you posted, there is a basic misunderstanding here. Agencies have to send personnel through NIMS training to qualify for grants. That's it. There's no HS "police" that will be there to listen to a "big inter-agency operation" (another purposely vague term) and take their money away if they use codes. The only way this issue will be addressed is by individual agencies making the decision to switch to plain English now. After almost 30 years in law enforcement, I highly doubt that this switch will happen in my remaining lifetime.
 

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SAR2401 said:
Casey,
Without getting into quoting parts of the article you posted, there is a basic misunderstanding here. Agencies have to send personnel through NIMS training to qualify for grants. That's it. There's no HS "police" that will be there to listen to a "big inter-agency operation" (another purposely vague term) and take their money away if they use codes. The only way this issue will be addressed is by individual agencies making the decision to switch to plain English now. After almost 30 years in law enforcement, I highly doubt that this switch will happen in my remaining lifetime.

I've been through NIMS training I and II. That was what they advised us during the class and that's what the article stated. How much is true who knows.
 

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jhooten said:
It was fun enough when I was active duty army and reserve police for the town I lived in off base to remember the two different phonetic alphabets. With every duty station change and to a different department with a different set of codes and cyphers it was an adventure in confusion.

Yeah you can just listen here and some departments use the A-Alpha, B-Bravo, C-Charlie phonetic alphabet. While some choose to use the A-Adam, B-Boy, C-Charles. Personal opinion I like the Alpha, Bravo, Charlie... Zulu one. Just in my opinion it sounds more professional. Either way though you do know what they are talking about so in the end I don't feel that is a huge deal. I've actually heard officers use the other one when in general the department used the other one. It was probably a mistake by the officer, either transfered from another agency or is in or just got out of the millitary.

As far as the 10 codes. I think it is for the best unless they could get everyone to go to a uniform code system. Which was the original plan for the 10 codes way back when if I understand correctly. Plain text is being used more and more here as Virginia has really pushed the plain text thing. State police are using a lot even though they will slip up from time to time and use a 10 code. That is another issue here. It will take time to change. Everyone is used to using the 10 codes and now they are being told not to. As far as the locals go around here I am hearing the Hopewell PD use plain text more and more but other departments seem not to be switching yet.
 

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I just like to see them gone. We are getting rid of them and I am glad..I can't speak for anyone elses jurisdiction, but communications here are much easier and clearer now that we employ plain english. Less mistakes and things get done faster. Funny, actually.

The big thing I always told people here was if I talk to someone face to face, I don't use 10 codes. So why would I use them if we put a microphone between us? It just doesn't make sense.
 

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JMHO: I really dont see the 10- codes going away in the big cities such as New York City where when I listen to NYPD SOD there is constantly Jobs going out such as " 10-54 rescue of an aided at ......" or " confines of the 68 pct 10-13 over division at....". And if you listen to the individual precinct frequencies, whenever there's a 10-53 (car accident) there always has to be a final disposition S/A "93Q (the type of report done) 99T4 (Vehicle accident with no tow required) 97RMA (Aided refused medical attention)." Just another side note here, NYPD usually cuts off the 10- part of the code to speed up the process even more. And we can't forget about the Fire Department side, "Engine 284 to Brooklyn 10-75, Fire on the 2nd floor". That can get anybody's blood pumping. It speeds up final dispositions on the fire side as well. "Engine 159 to Staten Island 10-18 (1 Engine and 1 Truck operating) for a 10-35 code 2 (Alarm System Emergency - Unnecessary Alarm).

My Point is that the removal of 10- codes from small departments (and I cant speak for small departments because I have no background with any) might eliminate confusion whereas in a large city or municipality the 10- Code system can speed up the process and clear the air for other units sending or receiving jobs.
 
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State Standard in South Dakota

In South Dakota 10 Codes are a state standard here.

ie. State-wide:

Code Meaning
10-4 OK
10-6 Busy
10-10 Busy, Subject to Call
10-12 Offical/Visitor (followed by a M, F, JM, JF)
10-15 Prisoner in Custody (sometimes followed by a M, F, JM, JF)
10-42 Officer is At Home / at Lunch / Off Duty
10-44 Pulling over vehilce (Licence Plate)
10-59 Operator's Permit / ID Card Check

We also use signal codes:

Signal
1 Vehilce Accident - Personal Injury
2 Vehilce Accident - No Personal Injury


I work at a detention facility and no matter what agency or county brings someone in we can use the same 10 codes and signals as it saves air time. Plain english is still used by some people and of course when people use them around you enough, you will learn. I pulled the above from memory and kept some like suicide, NCIC (stolen and warrants) and local wanted check from this list.

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captmfa7112 said:
My Point is that the removal of 10- codes from small departments (and I cant speak for small departments because I have no background with any) might eliminate confusion whereas in a large city or municipality the 10- Code system can speed up the process and clear the air for other units sending or receiving jobs.

HUH???? Anything now said in code can be said in english just as efficiently. Just because NYC uses 10 codes doesn't mean they couldn't live without them. :roll:

Engine 18 Truck 18 Hi-Rise Structure response 11 Wall Street
Box 17-2 Residential structure response for Engine 17....
Rescue 2 Engine 2 Medical Aid possible stroke - 123 Main Street
Rescue 9 Engine 29 Traffic collision 14th and Broadway

I'm surprised the city doesn't use MDC to send disposition codes instead of clearing everything over the air.
 
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