HAARP activation Sept 21st 2017

[mmckenna]

Lets use an example: You are on CB channel 1 for argument sake someone transmits below the legal CB radio frequency channel 1 and use a gigawatt transmitter are you are are you not going to get "splash" or
if you want to call it intentional interference?

It's called splatter, and the reason it happens on CB so much is those "golden screwdriver'd radio" we've all talked about. Spectrally impure radios.

HAARP is not a glorified CB radio. Since they need to be careful about all the military, commercial and public safety use of the HF spectrum, they are going to make sure it's not splattering all over the place.

Big difference between a CB and a high end transmitter, even at mega/giga watts.

Without the notices from HAARP, I'd bet most people wouldn't even know it was running.

Would you have known if I hadn't started this thread?

 

[SCPD]

yay!

not all the hf spectrum belongs to amateur radio.
While haarp does transmit on hf, and it looks like it has the capability to transmit on some of the hf spectrum that is assigned to amateur radio, that does't mean they do. There are specific slices of hf spectrum that are set aside (world wide by itu) for this sort of stuff.

MY REPLY : Hooray ! We got someplace now it does transmit on hf!

As for interference, it depends on how clean their signal is and how good the receiver is on your hf radio. There are a lot of critical services on hf, especially in alaska, so they are not going to blast the entire hf spectrum.

Clean or not gigawatts is bigger than any 100 watt hf stock ham or cb radio and good practice is to use lower power.ham is a secondary service.

Also, this thing doesn't transmit 24x7. It's occasional use.
MY REPLY :Ok so occasionally we will get interference on hf radio.

As for how a university affords to run it, it's called federal grant money, or whoever it is that's paying the bills. Most large research universities get a large amount of their funding from grants.

MY REPLY : ok so the government is still throwing money at it but now its via grant money. <<<Sorry that fell out of the above lines

 

[mmckenna]

ok so the government is still throwing money at it but now its via grant money.

Not -just- government. Lots of sources of grant money.

 

[zz0468]

No one said it didn't operate on HF.

It doesn't interfere in ham bands. Outside of ham bands, processes and procedures are in place to prevent or mitigate interference.

HAARP is not directly government funded. Any grants are to the researcher for specific projects.

 

[SCPD]

Hf and this thing called HAARP

Not -just- government. Lots of sources of grant money.

Ah come on now, you or I have no idea where their money comes from,lets be realistic here.
This facility is massive,mysterious and both you nor I exactly know why its there,what it can do or
why they made it.
Go check out ionospheric heaters and weather modification on this map.

ClimateViewer 3D | Geophysical Monitoring & Educational Map

 

[prcguy]

Ooh, its massive and mysterious and run by the govt so it must be doing something bad...

I play ham radio for a good 6hrs a day, morning, afternoon and night and I've never had any interference from HAARP. As many have mentioned, they do not transmit or interfere with the ham bands except for one time they advertised doing so on the 40m band and were looking for signal reports. I heard that one mid day in So Cal where it would normally be impossible for propagation along that path and I'm thrilled they did it.

But even with that I can see you still think they jam the ham bands and CB, so go ahead and keep on believing because only you are loosing sleep over it.

BTW, I know they made the question pool a bit simpler but how the F did you get a ham license with the way your brain works?
prcguy

You just like to argue!I come to conclusions.
Wether or not its on exactly the ham frequency you use the mega/giga watt project called HAARP cant
cause HF interference?

Lets use an example: You are on CB channel 1 for argument sake someone transmits below the legal CB radio frequency channel 1 and use a gigawatt transmitter are you are are you not going to get "splash" or
if you want to call it intentional interference?
If HAARP uses HF,you think it cant make HF noise?hash,noises or otherwise?

Now heres a good question is CB actually HF or not? 3-30mhz is HF !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_frequency

Where does it transmit then?And what is your reference?

HAARP operates in the HF (3-30mhz ) where hams are able to communicate.

Ok now knowing that it transmits Giga/Megawatts of power on HF,do you still think it can not cause HF interference on assigned ham bands by splashing,making noise CW sweeping or otherwise?

 

[Token]

Ok now knowing that it transmits Giga/Megawatts of power on HF,do you still think it can not cause HF interference on assigned ham bands by splashing,making noise CW sweeping or otherwise?

I observe HAARP regularly. I have recorded examples, wideband spectrum recordings, of most transmissions, with rare exception, it has made in the last 5 years or so, and many recordings before that, although less complete. I have NEVER seen it cause interference to a ham band with the possible exception of certain 60 meter frequencies which hams have on a secondary, not to interfere, basis. As prcguy said above they have intentionally transmitted in ham bands in the past, and they may again in the future, but they have not caused unintentional interference there.

The video you posted of pulsing noise is not HAARP. First of all it is outside the HAARP frequency range and second this is not a waveform HAARP has demonstrated in the past.

You make a big deal of the Giga/MegaWatts of power. You do realize HAARP is actually many smaller transmitters in an active array, yes? Each transmitter is either 10 kW or 20 kW, I don't have the exact answer in front of me right now. And the power of each transmission works with all others in the array to add up to the up to 3.6 MW transmitter power, and not all transmitters are sued every transmission, so many transmissions are much less power. For example last night on 9500 kHz they were using only 80 kW.

Regardless, added power from multiple transmitters. Now, add up the shortwave transmitters in Shijiazhuang China every day on 41 meters, each running 500 kW. They add up to MORE than 3.6 MW on the air at one time. The total power heating the atmosphere (or whatever mechanism you think HAARP is doing) is greater for that group of shortwave broadcast transmitters every day.

T!

 

[SCPD]

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No one said it didn't operate on HF.

It doesn't interfere in ham bands. Outside of ham bands, processes and procedures are in place to prevent or mitigate interference.

REPLY :Neither does BPL and the FCC allows that and that intereferes
They put Db contour and guard bands in place,sure,but it isnt a perfect world,come on.
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HAARP is not directly government funded. Any grants are to the researcher for specific projects.

REPLY : But It Was government funded it was created by the air force.
Again if you dont beleive it causes interference,then thats your opinion,not mine! And if you dont beleive myself,google around a little one night for fun.

 

[SCPD]

Shortwave

I observe HAARP regularly. I have recorded examples, wideband spectrum recordings, of most transmissions, with rare exception, it has made in the last 5 years or so, and many recordings before that, although less complete. I have NEVER seen it cause interference to a ham band with the possible exception of certain 60 meter frequencies which hams have on a secondary, not to interfere, basis. As prcguy said above they have intentionally transmitted in ham bands in the past, and they may again in the future, but they have not caused unintentional interference there.

The video you posted of pulsing noise is not HAARP. First of all it is outside the HAARP frequency range and second this is not a waveform HAARP has demonstrated in the past.

You make a big deal of the Giga/MegaWatts of power. You do realize HAARP is actually many smaller transmitters in an active array, yes? Each transmitter is either 10 kW or 20 kW, I don't have the exact answer in front of me right now. And the power of each transmission works with all others in the array to add up to the up to 3.6 MW transmitter power, and not all transmitters are sued every transmission, so many transmissions are much less power. For example last night on 9500 kHz they were using only 80 kW.

Regardless, added power from multiple transmitters. Now, add up the shortwave transmitters in Shijiazhuang China every day on 41 meters, each running 500 kW. They add up to MORE than 3.6 MW on the air at one time. The total power heating the atmosphere (or whatever mechanism you think HAARP is doing) is greater for that group of shortwave broadcast transmitters every day.

T!

I agree overseas shortwave does interfere and they park themselves in the US amateur bands sometimes too.
And as you said above They add up to the bigger power.

 

[zz0468]

Ah come on now, you or I have no idea where their money comes from,lets be realistic here.

Yeah, we do. It's always been public information.

This facility is massive,mysterious and both you nor I exactly know why its there,what it can do or
why they made it.

There's nothing mysterious about it. It's always been public information.

Look, your ignorance of science does not make HAARP a bad thing. You just think it does. The beauty of facts and science is that it doesn't care if you, Arthur, don't believe in it. It's all still facts and science. And no amount of ignorance on your part can change that.

I'd strongly suggest that you turn off the internet and crack a few science books.

 

[zz0468]

REPLY : But It Was government funded it was created by the air force.

Yep. Booga booga! They're after your brain!

*eye roll*

Again if you dont beleive it causes interference,then thats your opinion,not mine! And if you dont beleive myself,google around a little one night for fun.

I believe it doesn't cause interference in the ham bands. I believe any interference outside the ham bands is minimal. I believe that if they were notified of interference, they would move or shut down the experiment. They post a number where you can call them, you know.

 

[SCPD]

my opinion

Yeah, we do. It's always been public information.



There's nothing mysterious about it. It's always been public information.

Go check out ionospheric heaters and weather modification on this map.

Look, your ignorance of science does not make HAARP a bad thing. You just think it does. The beauty of facts and science is that it doesn't care if you, Arthur, don't believe in it. It's all still facts and science. And no amount of ignorance on your part can change that.

I'd strongly suggest that you turn off the internet and crack a few science books.

Once again,my opinion is just that.My opinion.Why do you care so much what I think?
If this is all nothing,why'd the webpage I post now say nothing referencing it was there 4 days ago.
You think its for one thing I think its a Weather Weapon designed to alter the weather.
I think it causes interference you don't.
Lets leave it at that,you are not going to change my opinion HAARP.
Its an ionospheric heater
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

 

[SCPD]

I have to admit, this topic can be addictive....
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After lunch today I show'd this to a friend... she read Arthur's comment- one made way back ago, or so it might seem--
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"The way you try and defend this "project" leads me to believe you work for someone who pays you to sit and write this stuff."... (K1NNG)
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.... and she laff'd--
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.........."that's the first thing he's gotten right !... you DO write that stuff and they pay us for it !"
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She wanted to thank you, for I guess you pay taxes-- saying
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" Sweetie- You bought US lunch today...!" ... (or words to that effect.....)
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.....(but I took my laptop back from her before she could, or would, say more, Art. ..... )
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Cheers
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[zz0468]

Once again,my opinion is just that.My opinion.Why do you care so much what I think?

Because you're posting a wrong-headed opinion in a widely visible public forum. By disputing your flawed opinions, the rest of us are standing up for science and fact, something that has become especially important in recent times.

 

[cmjonesinc]

Ah come on now, you or I have no idea where their money comes from,lets be realistic here.
This facility is massive,mysterious and both you nor I exactly know why its there,what it can do or
why they made it.
Go check out ionospheric heaters and weather modification on this map.

ClimateViewer 3D | Geophysical Monitoring & Educational Map

They have tours, apparently this years was such a big hit they extended it. You should go take a look for yourself.

 

[Token]

I agree overseas shortwave does interfere and they park themselves in the US amateur bands sometimes too.
And as you said above They add up to the bigger power.

You cannot agree with me on that, I said absolutely nothing about overseas shortwave interfering. I only talked about their power and how it exceeds HAARPs power.

I knew that using the Chinese example would be too much of a temptation, but I just had to see if you went for it.

How about this, the Voice of America, right here in the good old US of A. The VOA transmitter site at Greenville today adds up to about 2.5 MW of power, just very slightly less than what HAARP can run today (about 20% of HAARPs transmitters are not currently functional) when they are doing high power experiments, which is not every transmission. In the past, in its hayday, that VOA site added up to about 7.5 MW of power, twice HAARPs power.

My point was, you seem to be hung up on the power of HAARP, and there are other systems out there, been around for decades, that use comparable heating power levels.

As for foreign broadcasters parking themselves int he US ham bands, some do, quite legally. The US is not the World, and in many areas of the World what we call a ham band is allocated to broadcasters, or might be a shared band, both broadcasters and hams.

This facility is massive,mysterious and both you nor I exactly know why its there,what it can do or
why they made it.

It is neither massive nor particularly mysterious. The transparency is actually quite good, there have been many publications based on the results of testing there, and as for what it can do, the performance specifications are public knowledge, the calculations of its abilities are not at all secret. Further, they give tours of the facility, they have a facility web page, and they have a twitter account that tweets when they are going to be active. And some of the scientist doing work there keep their private Twitter accounts active with minute by minute updates as to frequency and mode of operation, inviting reception reports.

T!

 

[SCPD]

ah

I dont know why you care what I say,you think my opinion is crap anyways to you apparently.


https://climateviewer.com/haarp/

https://climateviewer.com/2014/10/11/haarp-elf-generation-mass-mind-control/

 

[SCPD]

quoting Arthur;
"bwhahahahahahha!"
"Look at all the money go to "research"
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I guess that was some sort of diabolical laff....lol
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Or more likely a melt down...
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Yes, look at all that wonderful money ! You ought to see the vehicles we drive, the 'planes we fly in- the 5-Star resorts we stay at when in the field.... yes indeed!
. And such a bargain- do you have any idea the value you get every time I create an earthquake?.. Pennies on the dollar !
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.This is fun!
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............................CF
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.......................sorry Guys; you're trying to be serious and I have enter'd into my the SmartA** phase with Arthur... please bear with me....

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[zz0468]

bwhahahahahahha!
Look at all the money go to "research" .

What... Aren't researchers allowed to go to lunch?

 

[Token]

Further, they give tours of the facility, they have a facility web page, and they have a twitter account that tweets when they are going to be active. And some of the scientist doing work there keep their private Twitter accounts active with minute by minute updates as to frequency and mode of operation, inviting reception reports.

And having just posted this I just saw a Tweet from one of them. HAARP will be active today (Sep 25, 2017) starting at 2115 UTC cycling through the frequencies 2750 kHz, 2800 kHz, and 2850 kHz. 2 minutes on, 2 minutes off before moving to the next frequency. They will be sweeping the power from low to high during each ON period.

T!