You heard it here first, folks!
At last, something we can all agree with. Can we be done now? You're becoming a bit of a bore.
HAARP activation Sept 21st 2017
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You heard it here first, folks!
At last, something we can all agree with. Can we be done now? You're becoming a bit of a bore.
great.
Ok excellent you can all try out your HF transceivers/receivers and see it in action for real.
Report back any interference on 160 meters or 80 meters.
Ok excellent you can all try out your HF transceivers/receivers and see it in action for real.
Report back any interference on 160 meters or 80 meters.
Bore=thanks!
I'm so much of a bore,you are still here carrying on though.
You are just pissed off I don't have the same opinion on this project as you,I am sorry you do not agree.
There are others out there who have debated HAARP and still are,if you can't imagine others may have different views,I pity you.
I had fun.You didn't ? Sorry.
Like I said above,check it out,they'll be turning it on,you go play around on 160 and 80meters while thats happening,I will leave it that that.
Let me go start another thread about the below image....
I'm so much of a bore,you are still here carrying on though.
You are just pissed off I don't have the same opinion on this project as you,I am sorry you do not agree.
There are others out there who have debated HAARP and still are,if you can't imagine others may have different views,I pity you.
I had fun.You didn't ? Sorry.
Like I said above,check it out,they'll be turning it on,you go play around on 160 and 80meters while thats happening,I will leave it that that.
Let me go start another thread about the below image....
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You're still mouthing off, so it still needs an antidote.
I'm not pissed that you disagree with me. That aspect of the debate doesn't matter. What pisses me off is people such as yourself buying into so much pseudo science and outright garbage, and propagating it forward via websites such as this.
I view this as dangerous to our society.
You let yourself become ignorant, and then you vote.
I'm not worried.
Apparently you are still worried,you wrote it needs an antidote.No it doesn't.
There can't be a death ray.,there just can't!
My opinion is my opinion,like it or not.
Because I was leaving it at that......see my above post.
You tune into AM sports or talk radio and sometimes punch the dashboard don't you?
LOL!
There can't be a death ray.,there just can't!
My opinion is my opinion,like it or not.
Because I was leaving it at that......see my above post.
You tune into AM sports or talk radio and sometimes punch the dashboard don't you?
LOL!
Strange thing just happen'd.... I was squirreling back through the threads, and Arthur's Diabolical laugh-slash Melt Down---- was gone!.
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Is it me, or is you delet'ng stuff now, Arthur ??
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I hope it is just me, but I can't find a trace of it !
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If you are delet'ing your stuff-- oh for shame! Please say it isn't so!.... (laffing.)
Be nice and play fair ! Stand by what you say, even if its a weird laugh.
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Is it me, or is you delet'ng stuff now, Arthur ??
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I hope it is just me, but I can't find a trace of it !
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If you are delet'ing your stuff-- oh for shame! Please say it isn't so!.... (laffing.)
Be nice and play fair ! Stand by what you say, even if its a weird laugh.
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prcguy
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There are a few misguided people who either dreamed up or outright made up silly information about HAARP and posted it on the Internet. Then there is the small but annoying group of people (including Arthur) that believe the lie because they are really uninformed or don't think logically to know any better. Then we have a very large number who see through the BS, then probably the majority who really don't care.
I think the only people that are really annoyed are the ones that believe the lies, who need something sinister to look forward too, but the vast majority know better or don't care, so the believers are getting their panties all twisted in a wad because nobody will side with them.
Maybe Arthur needs to attend some of the crack pot gatherings of HAARP protesters and chem trail chasers to be more comfortable with his kind. Otherwise there are some very bright people here that disagree (excluding myself) that would be hard to prove wrong.
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I think the only people that are really annoyed are the ones that believe the lies, who need something sinister to look forward too, but the vast majority know better or don't care, so the believers are getting their panties all twisted in a wad because nobody will side with them.
Maybe Arthur needs to attend some of the crack pot gatherings of HAARP protesters and chem trail chasers to be more comfortable with his kind. Otherwise there are some very bright people here that disagree (excluding myself) that would be hard to prove wrong.
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Or did the government do it? Maybe HAARP zapped it or was it the Tesla Death Ray?
You have been online all day! Why do you care what I post?
Come on lets hear this.
Now I got em both "sucked in" to posting again.You AND zz.
Oh Arthur's a kook, I have to prove this is true by posting over and over til I 'm right.I think you are scared to death I am Right!
Prove to me theres no weather modifcation out there or HAARP is not exactly one of them there "Ionosheric heaters" (in a country accent)
I posted a webpage and now its blank yet it still refers to itself its existed 4 days agh now this is going to be fun.
https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program_(HAARP
which now says : There is currently no text in this page.
Or did the government do it? Maybe HAARP zapped it or was it the Tesla Death Ray?
You have been online all day! Why do you care what I post?
Come on lets hear this.
Now I got em both "sucked in" to posting again.You AND zz.
Oh Arthur's a kook, I have to prove this is true by posting over and over til I 'm right.I think you are scared to death I am Right!
Prove to me theres no weather modifcation out there or HAARP is not exactly one of them there "Ionosheric heaters" (in a country accent)
I posted a webpage and now its blank yet it still refers to itself its existed 4 days ag
h now this is going to be fun.https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program_(HAARP
which now says : There is currently no text in this page.
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Yes it does.
You're not smart enough to comprehend the problem. It's not so much that you think HAARP is a weather control device out to do us harm, it's that you buy into so much garbage about it and dispense with facts. And THEN you get on an internet forum and spread the garbage.
The news this last year has been about "fake news". The fake only becomes news because ignorant people pass it on. It becomes a problem when non-ignorant people let it happen without attempting to stop it.
Not everyone can be Mister perfect like you!
You tell me how smart I am because I need to know....Yeah right....I do not call you stupid,so don't do it to me!
Oh wait I already know you detest me and my opinion.Why do you care?
I have my opinion on HAARP you have yours,how come I can accept you have your opinion but you can not until we run out of lines that I think this thing is bad in many ways wether it is or isn't ?
Why not man up and say ok this guy doesn't agree with me and end it there?Because you can not!
Either you get paid to disagree with me or you are just like to argue.
Go check out HF when they are testing and report back.
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Entertainment value!
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OK, let's be realistic.
I've worked the last 20 years for a research university. Some of what I do is funded by federal grants. Some is funded by commercial sources, some is state taxpayers. I've got a pretty good idea how this stuff works.
Money leaves a trail, especially when lots of it is being moved around and handled by people at research universities that have to account for every penny. And they do. Every single penny. Get your reports off by 1¢ and I hear about it. In true government fashion, there are people who make good money who will spend hours having to account for that penny, no matter how much it costs us.
As for the military, I'm guessing you never served? One thing you can rely on, nothing is secret, at least not for long. People talk. Hiding things like secret chemicals in the jet fuel to generate "chem trails" isn't something that thousands of people are going to keep secret. Same with the technology and systems like HAARP, too many people involved for secret/evil doings to be hidden. It just doesn't work like in the movies.
I gotta hand it to you, you've stuck with this a long time. That means you either really believe it, you're trolling us, or you are questioning what you think you know.
Not trolling anyone.
Just have my opinions,as you do yours.
Unless someone gives me a website that shows its not HF ,and not doing weather mod I'm still on my opinion is all.
It is listed as an ionospheric heater,what do you think that means?
Watch the commitee talk about it: Air force explains at 3:00-3:10 what its designed to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_uV2AyagyY
Top Scientist explains: starts at 2:00) and at 3:16 he's stopped and corrected by CBS tv anchorwoman to correct his "speech"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viMH3K2xmpI
PHYSICS ! Go argue with an elderly scientist about the subject,maybe I'm not explaining it right.
the beam can sweep a line or circle in the sky (see my earlier picture of the sky with swirls)
Experiments with the HAARP Ionospheric Heater | Stanford VLF Group
How it really works,no I did not make this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu0_lTXHICs
Just have my opinions,as you do yours.
Unless someone gives me a website that shows its not HF ,and not doing weather mod I'm still on my opinion is all.
It is listed as an ionospheric heater,what do you think that means?
Watch the commitee talk about it: Air force explains at 3:00-3:10 what its designed to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_uV2AyagyY
Top Scientist explains: starts at 2:00) and at 3:16 he's stopped and corrected by CBS tv anchorwoman to correct his "speech"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viMH3K2xmpI
PHYSICS ! Go argue with an elderly scientist about the subject,maybe I'm not explaining it right.
the beam can sweep a line or circle in the sky (see my earlier picture of the sky with swirls)
Experiments with the HAARP Ionospheric Heater | Stanford VLF Group
How it really works,no I did not make this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu0_lTXHICs
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No one is disputing that it operates on HF. No one is disputing that it manipulates the ionosphere. I know what that means, the question is, do YOU?
If you truly understood, then you would agree with the rest of us that it's of no significance to the environment. If you truly understood, then you would agree with the rest of us that studying the ionosphere is worthwhile research.
You're arguing with a bunch of people that have some impressive qualifications and experience in RF. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but when you try to propagate it to others, or try to influence policy decisions, you're going to run into strenuous objections, because your opinion is simply wrong.
He still to this very minute does not and refuses to "get it" it meaning my opinion based on what I have seen/read on the internet.
Was the CBS guest who is a scientist wrong?
Forget the entire subject and lets debate my opinions:
As for my opinions zz0468,srtill refuses to accept my opinions as my opinions.
You think I'm wrong, the CBS professor is wrong,whatever,my opinion on HAARP will not change.
Nobody else has any facts as to what HAARP really does with pictures.
Did you look at the CBS video?NOPE!
Whats that say down there? Top Scientist,not me,forget I said anything.
zz guy,I am still with the scientist on this...
Weather altering HF transmitter aka ionospheric heater.
Was the CBS guest who is a scientist wrong?
Forget the entire subject and lets debate my opinions:
As for my opinions zz0468,srtill refuses to accept my opinions as my opinions.
You think I'm wrong, the CBS professor is wrong,whatever,my opinion on HAARP will not change.
Nobody else has any facts as to what HAARP really does with pictures.
Did you look at the CBS video?NOPE!
Whats that say down there? Top Scientist,not me,forget I said anything.
zz guy,I am still with the scientist on this...
Weather altering HF transmitter aka ionospheric heater.
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Nothing nefarious there. Yes, being able to make changes and measure those changes in the ionosphere was the primary (with lots more secondary) driving goal of HAARP, no one is disputing that. If it was so "mysterious" you would not be able to find out that information on it so easily.
The military wants more reliable communications, imagine that. The ionosphere has an impact on some of those communications. The military does not want to be left to mother nature to decide when a band or bands are usable, they want some input on it. And so they conducted experiments to see how much they could influence the ionosphere and charge it as desired, just like the sun does. And in the process they made mans understanding of the ionosphere, and forces that change it, more complete.
They did that, on a small scale, in the areas of the ionopshere above the site. In a controlled way they influenced the ionosphere and measured the affects of that. That is NOT weather manipulation with regards to rain, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc and it does NOT change the ionosphere around the world. It is not heating in terms of how you feel temperature at your location, it is heating on a very small scale, in very specific layers of the ionosphere, to change propagation or to cause ionization. It was research to find out if they could influence propagation by making changes in the ionosphere, how much they could influence propagation, and the duration of those changes.
As they said in that video, they (the military) are now done with that research. That is why they wanted to shut it (HAARP) down. That is why they started to dismantle HAARP (all of the transmitter modules had their amplifiers removed). However research institutes, recognizing there is still a lot to learn in this realm, managed to persuade the government to allow the University of Alaska to take stewardship of the facility.
The issue is that the small little kernel of truth keeps the conspiracy theories alive. Yes, it is an ionospheric heater. Yes they were trying to manipulate VERY localized "weather". That is true and beyond debate. But the meaning and impact of "heating" the ionosphere, and what is meant by "weather" is the part that people grab onto. And unfortunately you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. So even though science and math can show that there simply was not enough power in HAARP to affect world issues people refuse to believe it. Even though you can show that AM radio stations do more to heat the ionsophere every day than HAARP ever did the relatively few times it ran, people refuse to believe it.
One telling part the conspiracy folks should be considering. The military has divested itself of HAARP, they no longer run it. They started to scrap it and sold off parts as scrap. If it was indeed a weapon it must not have been a very good one, since they (the military) no longer want it.
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mmckenna
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Absolutely, no disagreement there.
However, it's important to not confuse facts and opinions. You've shared opinions. Most people who've replied on this thread have provided facts.
Opinions are our own. Facts can be proven.
I don't see anywhere in this thread that anyone has said it's not HF. It is, no one denies that.
Not sure how someone would prove it isn't, at least to the satisfaction of those that claim it is.
The sun is an atmospheric heater, so what does that mean? Sunspots will impact the amount of energy that we receive from the sun. The earths distance from the sun also varies, so that impacts the amount of energy. That's way more energy than HAARP can generate, so while HAARP may very well heat some of the atmosphere, it's not going to impact anything that would be noticeable on any scale that you'd notice.
Anyway, not all that energy is hitting the atmosphere and converted into something evil. Some of it passes through and goes out into space. Some gets reflected back towards earth. Some gets scattered.
So, the Air Force said they no longer needed it and was going to dismantle it.
As for "injecting energy into the ionosphere" (quote from the video you linked to), ionizing the atmosphere is what radio waves bounce off of. That's how amateur radio operators talk DX around the world. The sun does that on it's own and doesn't need HAARP to do it. What HAARP did was trigger it at hours and seasons that the sun didn't do it. I'm not sure how people equate this with "weather control".
I listened to the entire video, I don't get it, what part of it do you think backs up your point?
OK, He's a theoretical physicist. If you listen to it he says "Alleged". He also talks about lasers, not HF. Big difference between nanometer wavelengths and hundreds of meters of wavelength. As an amateur radio licensee, you should understand that.
Apparently not. I listened to the whole video, and Dr. Michio Kaku didn't support your point at all. I'm wondering if the video you linked to is the one you meant to.
The drivel mentioned by the narrator doesn't make much sense at all. He's trying to make a connection to things. Those connections don't make any sense.
And just because someone has a YouTube page doesn't make them an expert.
The video goes on to talk about cloud seeding. No relation to HAARP, doesn't pertain to this discussion at all. An aircraft spreading condensation nuclei is an entirely different subject.
OK. None of that supports what you are saying.
This guy is a crack pot. He's not helping your opinions.
Scrapped?
It is not being scrapped either.It is now owned by a University and is back in operation.
How is it scrapped?
This is 2017,look at the link:
Turning on the aurora switch with HAARP | Juneau Empire - Alaska's Capital City Online Newspaper
A top scientist is a crackpot,come on now!
And the Air force in the video explained the purpose.
It is not being scrapped either.It is now owned by a University and is back in operation.
How is it scrapped?
This is 2017,look at the link:
Turning on the aurora switch with HAARP | Juneau Empire - Alaska's Capital City Online Newspaper
A top scientist is a crackpot,come on now!
And the Air force in the video explained the purpose.
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