Hamilton Fire

[steely70s]

On my radio, things are different. For a day or so, Area 1 - Central went back to the conventional channel / talk group (00080), but today, it is back to the secondary channel (14736). Area 2 - East is still using the secondary channel (14768), instead of 00048. Area 3 - Mountain is continuing on 00112.

Good call I didn't notice this as I normally ignore those talk groups (esm) and they are patched so I can still hear them.

Looks like they have 2 patches active
Patch 1399 with groups 14736 and 80
Patch 139B with groups 14768 and 48

This along with radio testing they may be preparing to move some users over in the near future.

 

[steely70s]

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I really had trouble hearing the new C/c last nite. I will give it a go again tonight. I wonder if they run tests at night.

I only check it every once it awhile but last night i even had trouble. There was some digital noice coming through but I've never heard any talkgroup activity. There was radio testing last night and today on the old smartnet

 

[EJB]

Where do you live Steely?
You can pm me if you want to keep things private.

I live in Aldershot and am nine floors up. My radio room faces SW towards Hamilton. I can see pretty much the entire lower city and the mountain from my place. I should be getting the tower with a clear signal.

I have a bit of a dilema. My 250 wont do digital P25 trunking, I dont think it would work even if I have a digital card for it.

My main scanner is a Home Patrol. I have made systems up before using software but for whatever reason each and every time I try to make systems from scratch so to speak I do something wrong.

A member here said that he would look at what I am doing and hopefully he can point a bonehead like me in the right direction. That way, I can help discover this new system for Hamilton.

Now if anyone here has an extra scanner that does P25 systems and wants to lend it to me I could do a better job for the radio community,lol, and figure out this new system.

E

 

[mciupa]

I just worked a submission for the new Hamilton Project 25 trunk system. Hamilton (Project 25) Trunking System, Hamilton, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

It is now included in our Ontario trunking database.

 

[EJB]

I just worked a submission for the new Hamilton Project 25 trunk system. Hamilton (Project 25) Trunking System, Hamilton, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

It is now included in our Ontario trunking database.

Cool. If I dont figure out how to enter it in using ARC I will add it in when the update is in.
Thanks Mike.

 

[mikewazowski]

Until talkgroups are added, it's not going to show up in the HPDB.

 

[EJB]

Can the powers that be make an exception here?

I might have a great deal of time in the near future to keep an eye on it.

Thanks

Eric

 

[mikewazowski]

Can the powers that be make an exception here?

As I said in the other thread, this is a Uniden issue not Radioreference.

Uniden's policy is to not pull systems that have no talkgroups or all the talkgroups are encrypted.

Radioreference has no control over what Uniden decides to include in the HomePatrol database.

Radioreference will not add bogus talkgroups just so the system is included in Uniden's database.

You'll either have to manually add it, identify a non-encrypted talkgroup or have Uniden change their policy.

Sorry.

 

[Forts]

This is where someone needs to be logging the system, so some talkgroups can be submitted as radio/range testing.

 

[VE3RADIO]

As I said in the other thread, this is a Uniden issue not Radioreference.

Uniden's policy is to not pull systems that have no talkgroups or all the talkgroups are encrypted.

Radioreference has no control over what Uniden decides to include in the HomePatrol database.

Radioreference will not add bogus talkgroups just so the system is included in Uniden's database.

You'll either have to manually add it, identify a non-encrypted talkgroup or have Uniden change their policy.

Sorry.

Doesn't make much sense considering they added ID search and trunking discovery mode.. I went to run discovery mode on the RCMP system only to find it wasn't in the DB.. That policy is BS and should definatlyt be changed by Uniden.


P.S. I am going to submit ID 732 for the CROCS RCMP system and 565 for Hamilton as both have been seen.

 

[mikewazowski]

They can be added but the problem is all traffic on those talkgroups has been encrypted.

Uniden will still not import the system.

You should probably ask over on the HomePatrol site.

 

[EJB]

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If someone cares send Paul O a message in the Uniden forum. Is the Stelco system in the database for uploading the HP? If so, there are no talkgroups for that.

I'd check myself but my boss is being a bear this AM.

 

[VE3RADIO]

They can be added but the problem is all traffic on those talkgroups has been encrypted.

Uniden will still not import the system.

You should probably ask over on the HomePatrol site.

Nope in the clear. 721 as well on CROCS

 

[VE3RADIO]

a guy started a new thread that should probably be merged to this one .. but he also found some talkgroups.. add 565 to this list.

Hi all,
I have had the Hamilton P25 running on unitrunker most of the morning. Lots of activity on TG536, 506 and 505.
Garbled speech which I assume means that it is encrypted. I did not think encrypted comms would pass through the PSR500. Unitrunker showing bandwidth of 6.25 TDMA with C4FM modulation.

 

[Forts]

Yes the PSR will pass encrypted audio on 9600 baud systems. Can be quite annoying sometimes when you don't want to lock out the talkgroup (for one reason or another )

 

[steely70s]

TheSpec - Hamilton police radios will soon go silent

The time is near.

 

[VE3RADIO]

Shame on Hamilton Fire and Police.. What a crock of crap.

 

[EJB]

TheSpec - Hamilton police radios will soon go silent

The time is near.

I hope you dont mind. I posted an article about this on the news and annoucements forum here.

I also posted the link to Lindsays facebook page.

Lets not be naive about this, the new systems are being sold to regions and administrations and such. What happens on a scanner site means very little to them. But you did see that Hamilton EMS would love for encryption and the mantra of Officer Safety comes out of police spokeserson mouth as if they are programmed to say it.

Finally, this sites role in last summers incident is remembered. It may not be that this site is in the wrong and that it is our laws and our responsibility to follow the laws but clearly, radioreference is becomming a very popular site. And I dont think it is in a good way. This sites attitude has obviously angered people on this side of the border, We suffer for it.

PS Halton seems to be using encryption in their tests, gotta be happy about that

 

[exkalibur]

I really think at the end of the day, encryption is a very easily justified cost. Infact, in many cases, the cost is zero. If you are the one making decisions, it is very easy to request encryption when it doesn't cost a dime. Figure, basic encryption for an XTS5000 costs under $10 per radio. Granted, that isn't strong encryption but it is enough to keep scanners in the dark.

 

[glennradio]

Give me a break!

Lets see ...... taxpayers money to fund an encrypted radio system so taxpayers cannot monitor what the money is being spent on and how it is being used. Perhaps a referendum during an election year, prior to the introduction of these systems would be beneficial, allowing the different sides to argue their platforms. Then have the taxpayers decide one way or the other weather to spend the extra money for encryption OR what agency/s should be encrypted. Read about the corruption in the police force, seen the images on TV when they choose to hide their badges, heard the live action and incidents that never made the paper. Won't believe them in the future when an encrypted force has the only story in town and expects me to believe how it "happened". Yeah, you broke off the chase 30 seconds before the stolen car ran down and killed the child....