Heber-Overgaard Scanning

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Good evening, all...

I just bought a house in Overgaard, and have my scanner programmed, but am not picking up much of anything when I hear sirens.

Let me rephrase... I hear things on the scanner throughout the day. the National Forest, and calls here and there, along with the occasional H/O FD dispatch.

Here's what I have. Anyone that knows something different, or anything I am missing, please let me know.

Also, with NCSO, whenever the scanner locks on one of their channels, it just sounds like white noise during the dispatch call. Anyone else ever encounter this? Or is there something WeIrD with Navajo County Sherriff?

Frequency AliasRx Frequency (MHz)Rx Bandwidth (KHz)
NCSO Porter157.3250012.5
NCSO Holbrook157.1500012.5
NCSO Heber155.7000012.5
NCSO C2C D1158.9700012.5
NCSO C2C159.0300012.5
NCSO Chase156.2100012.5
NCSO S&R155.1600012.5
EMS Keams Cnyn155.0850012.5
H/O Fire Dept154.2200012.5
NC Road Dept156.1800012.5
NCFD Disp 1154.2350012.5
NCFD Pinetop154.1150012.5
NCFD Show Low154.4150012.5
NCFD Linden159.1800012.5
NCFD Wt Mtn Lk154.3550012.5
Wt Mtn Apache158.7450012.5
NCFD Pinedale154.4000012.5
NCFD Heber OG154.2200012.5
FG 9 - Showlow154.4450012.5
FG 10 Pinetop154.2650012.5
FG 11 Lakeside155.8350012.5
12 Special Ops154.1300012.5
13 Mutual Aid155.3850012.5
14 RIC Crews154.0700012.5
15 State M/A154.2800012.5
TMFD Dispatch154.2350012.5
TMFD Ops154.1150012.5
TMFD Heber OG154.2200012.5
TMFD Channel 4159.1800012.5
Forest Lake FD155.7600012.5
Coconino SD155.4900012.5
Sitgraves FS169.9500012.5
A/S Air 2 Gnd167.1750012.5
 

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I am in Snowflake and pick up NCSO with no problems. They are on the Porter Mountin for Overgaard area. You should also be able to get Holbrook dispatch as well. The 155.700 is a P25 digital mode. I am not sure what area that covers. I hear calls in Overgaard all the way up to Winslow and I40. You might want to add the DPS for I40 and south. The frequency is in the data base. The good thing about this area is mostly everything is analog. The only other digital I know of is Holbrook EMS is DMR. Welcome to the area
 

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I am in Snowflake and pick up NCSO with no problems. They are on the Porter Mountin for Overgaard area. You should also be able to get Holbrook dispatch as well. The 155.700 is a P25 digital mode. I am not sure what area that covers. I hear calls in Overgaard all the way up to Winslow and I40. You might want to add the DPS for I40 and south. The frequency is in the data base. The good thing about this area is mostly everything is analog. The only other digital I know of is Holbrook EMS is DMR. Welcome to the area
Much appreciated, @AJAT...

155.7 would make sense. That one is where the scanner stops at quite often and it's just all white noise. I don't honestly really hear any other NCSO freq's stop at all. I live right near the 260 & 277 split, so NCSO and DPS are *always* in this area running Radar and I see them rolling, I just need to fine to the freq's - LOL.

It just sucks because like down in The Valley when you are trying to find a frequency, it only takes about 20 seconds and you can hear if the dispatch is in the area or not. Up here, it's like waiting days only to find out the dispatch is four cities away - LOL.
 

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The 155.7 Digital just recently started becoming more and more active. I heard them today with a traffic stop at the 260/277 split. You should be able to pick up the Porter Mountin and Holbrook analog by you. They are fairly busy for a rural county. I am still trying to figure out where the P25 154.7 dispatch area is as I said they seem to be all over the county, so I am not sure what it is used for, although I know it is a dispatch channel. If I am able to figure it out I will submit it to the data base. 460.3 PL 100.0 is the DPS for your area. It is good to have someone else nearby on this forums not a lot of threads for Navajo county, and I know the data base can use a little updating although it is fairly accurate. If you find some new freq’s be sure to post em and update the data base.
 

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The 155.7 Digital just recently started becoming more and more active. I heard them today with a traffic stop at the 260/277 split. You should be able to pick up the Porter Mountin and Holbrook analog by you. They are fairly busy for a rural county. I am still trying to figure out where the P25 154.7 dispatch area is as I said they seem to be all over the county, so I am not sure what it is used for, although I know it is a dispatch channel. If I am able to figure it out I will submit it to the data base. 460.3 PL 100.0 is the DPS for your area. It is good to have someone else nearby on this forums not a lot of threads for Navajo county, and I know the data base can use a little updating although it is fairly accurate. If you find some new freq’s be sure to post em and update the data base.
I wasn't aware there was any P25 digital up here for this area. Last time I looked at RR, I must have missed a bunch of stuff. I will search again for anything "Navajo", "Overgaard", or "Heber".

I definitely will submit anything I find. My house is right near the 260 / 277 split, so there's always stuff running East-West up and down 277, North-South up and down 260.

I brought my SDS200 up here to leave which has all the different system types enabled. I was using my Unication G5 which picks up 1,000 times better than the Uniden's, but I don't have 4xxMhz capability on it, since 99% of the valley is all either VHF or Simulcast.
 

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Hey all, I'm part-time in Linden. Thanks for this info, I want to program some of these into my radios up there!
 

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The 155.7 Digital just recently started becoming more and more active. I heard them today with a traffic stop at the 260/277 split. You should be able to pick up the Porter Mountin and Holbrook analog by you. They are fairly busy for a rural county. I am still trying to figure out where the P25 154.7 dispatch area is as I said they seem to be all over the county, so I am not sure what it is used for, although I know it is a dispatch channel. If I am able to figure it out I will submit it to the data base. 460.3 PL 100.0 is the DPS for your area. It is good to have someone else nearby on this forums not a lot of threads for Navajo county, and I know the data base can use a little updating although it is fairly accurate. If you find some new freq’s be sure to post em and update the data base.
So this digital you speak of (lol)... I've got this one in my SDS-100 as "Chase Heber / Overgaard" and it's analog 155.7 @ 107.2 and have never heard anything on it. In fact, the only thing for NCSD that I pick up around here is "Holbrook" on 157.150 @ 114.8.

I just threw my Ham Radio / GMRS antenna up here and will be programming some of these freq's in to the 2-way on the patio that can pick up off that thing. That should also give some good reference as well for what's around here, etc. etc. etc.

Also, I've been picking up some NXDN noise on Timber-Mesa fire. I'll see if I can grab the channel next time it comes around, but any ideas on this one? All their listings show FMN and nothing DMR or NXDN, etc.
 
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So this digital you speak of (lol)... I've got this one in my SDS-100 as "Chase Heber / Overgaard" and it's analog 155.7 @ 107.2 and have never heard anything on it. In fact, the only thing for NCSD that I pick up around here is "Holbrook" on 157.150 @ 114.8.

I just threw my Ham Radio / GMRS antenna up here and will be programming some of these freq's in to the 2-way on the patio that can pick up off that thing. That should also give some good reference as well for what's around here, etc. etc. etc.

Also, I've been picking up some NXDN noise on Timber-Mesa fire. I'll see if I can grab the channel next time it comes around, but any ideas on this one? All their listings show FMN and nothing DMR or NXDN, etc.
155.7 has a NAC of 065. You should be able to pick up Porter Mountain in Heber I would think. The data base has the correct listing for Porter. I can pick them up in Snowflake. The only DMR I found was Holbrook EMS. I don't know any NXDN or any digital in Timber-Mesa. If you find any let us know.
 

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155.7 has a NAC of 065. You should be able to pick up Porter Mountain in Heber I would think. The data base has the correct listing for Porter. I can pick them up in Snowflake. The only DMR I found was Holbrook EMS. I don't know any NXDN or any digital in Timber-Mesa. If you find any let us know.
So this would be why I can't hear didly squat off Overgaard. Sentinel Database has it as 155.7 @ CTSS 107.2. I just updated my SDS to 155.7 @ 065. Here's what I have for everything. About 3 minutes after saving the changes, I heard dispatch on Overgaard now. woohoo!!!! Now I can listen in on all the drunk drama that happens up and down 260. :) ha ha

Maybe you can tell me if I am missing anything, or have something else wrong. UGH!

Now I'm wondering on the one's below, if RR is correct in the listings, or Sentinel is correct on the listings. Kind of 1/2 tempted to just put everything on "All" Audio Option and just let it land on either Digital or Analog and decode the tone, but that's a PITA!

Navajo County Sheriff's Department:
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Table-Mesa Fire:
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Linden Fire District:
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Snowflake / Taylor:
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Southern Navajo County Fire District:
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Thanks!
 

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I think that should cover your area as far as I know. The RR data base has been updated now with the 155.7 P25, so the next update of sentinel should have it, although it is listed as a Law Tac and not dispatch. I submitted it yesterday as a dispatch. As far as I know it is dispatch. I have heard them in past dispatching from Hebert all the way I40 and Joseph city. Maybe they patch the dispatch channels sometimes? The Database is fairly accurate but can still use some verification. Let us know if you find anything new.
 

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I think that should cover your area as far as I know. The RR data base has been updated now with the 155.7 P25, so the next update of sentinel should have it, although it is listed as a Law Tac and not dispatch. I submitted it yesterday as a dispatch. As far as I know it is dispatch. I have heard them in past dispatching from Hebert all the way I40 and Joseph city. Maybe they patch the dispatch channels sometimes? The Database is fairly accurate but can still use some verification. Let us know if you find anything new.
I just downloaded the new Sentinel DB and saw the P25 code in there, but still listed as Law-Tac. I just changed my local setting to Law Dispatch.

Now just to see if I can find a good hand-held antenna upgrade for the SDS-100. I have an outdoor antenna for my Ham / GMRS equipment, but the scanner won't be anywhere near that antenna. I don't know if something like the extendable mast that came with my SDS-200 would work better or not. Just trying to improve reception is all. DPS D3 comes in with lots of white noise. H/O FD comes in but could be improved. Same with the Forest Service dispatches up here.
 

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155.7 has a NAC of 065. You should be able to pick up Porter Mountain in Heber I would think. The data base has the correct listing for Porter. I can pick them up in Snowflake. The only DMR I found was Holbrook EMS. I don't know any NXDN or any digital in Timber-Mesa. If you find any let us know.
Sir. I was able to find it! I put everything in "Search" mode on my SDS-100 so I could see if anything pooped up. This one always stops and is a DMR Digital Tone (I think it's DMR that sounds digital on the SDS): EMS - Keams Canyon. It just popped up again a couple times in the last few minutes. I know there is a bad accident at the 277 / 377 split which is right near that repeater / area.

And I have yet to hear anything from Table Mesa Fire channels. ;-(
 

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What frequency did you pick up the DMR on? Did you happen to get a color code. I don’t think it was Keams Canyon as they are much further north, but probably uses the KNDX343 license. The database may be incorrect. I don’t have a DMR scanner at my home, only in my vehicle. I am curious to what agency you heard. Please post the frequency and any other info you have. I will put it in my mobile scanner, and maybe pull it out of my car for the week end and see if I can get anything.
 

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So it popped up tonight on Keams Canyon, Heber-Obergaard FD, and also Snowflake FD. It's literally just a 1/4 second digital blurp. Won't ever get any kind of color code or NAC unless it can lock on the signal.

I'm wondering if the scanner is grabbing a data signal from an MDT on the frequency or something. Who knows...
 

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Gila & Navajo have new mode or system Rescan V U & 700 800. Not all FD. As one post mentioned a FD on NXDN.

DPS should have new sites nest you that now in DB?
Metro area gets more updates than NE part of AZ.
 

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Gila & Navajo have new mode or system Rescan V U & 700 800. Not all FD. As one post mentioned a FD on NXDN.

DPS should have new sites nest you that now in DB?
Metro area gets more updates than NE part of AZ.
Are these reflecting in RR yet?
 

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What frequency did you pick up the DMR on? Did you happen to get a color code. I don’t think it was Keams Canyon as they are much further north, but probably uses the KNDX343 license. The database may be incorrect. I don’t have a DMR scanner at my home, only in my vehicle. I am curious to what agency you heard. Please post the frequency and any other info you have. I will put it in my mobile scanner, and maybe pull it out of my car for the week end and see if I can get anything.
FINALLY GOT IT!!!!!

I decided to bring up my SDS200 this weekend and 1st off - catches 90% more crap the SDS100 doesn't. More than likely it's because of the tall antenna (that's what I am going with), where the SDS100 is the RemTronix 920S. For instance... these two are sitting right next to each other on the same window sill and I get two different reactions.

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The SDS100 hasn't stopped once on DPS. SDS200 at least a 1/2 dozen times and all extremely readable, where when the 100 does in fact stop, it is white noise up the wazzoo! Holbrook comes in at full RSSI signal strength (-50db) on the 200 where it's maybe RSSI barely moves on the SDS100 and doesn't even tell me what the RSSI strength is it's so low.

Anyways, off to my point - LOL

Sitting here and heard the Digital Blurp and when I was able to grab a fast enough glance, saw the following:

Southern NCFD:
5 Response - White Mtn Lk - 154.355 = Showing Slot 1 Color Code 2 TGID 0 and almost immediately goes back to scanning

Navajo County SD:
Search & Rescue - 155.160 = Showing Slot 1 with no other details
EMS Keams Canyon - 155.085 = Not showing anything I just hear the blurp

Both my scanners have the DMR and NXDN add-ons (just not ProVoice), so I am a bit confused as to why it is just coming up that way.

Is it possible (I don't know so I'm honestly asking) that with me having those on "Search" instead of "CTSS/DCS Search" or "Digital Code Search" is picking up just some sort of data stream on those frequencies?

I'm honestly at a loss as to why those are doing that when in both Analog & Digital Search mode.

I have my whole list that way just to make sure that what is seen on RR is actually what is correct. Especially with finding the tones listed were completely incorrect with it showing Analog if 113.8 I think it was, and it was actually a P25 NAC code.

Thanks and I am interested to hear folks' thoughts...
 
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I think you are just picking up a data stream. My close call picks up data bursts all the time on my 446hp when I am up around the Najavo county center off of 77. I forgot the frequency, I think 155.310 or somewhere around there. I have DRM And NXDN also on the 446hp.
 

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I get "phantom" DMR hits on weak signals all the time. Unless I hear a clearly-DMR-sounding voice, or at least see a consistent RID and TG ID paired with "Enc" and clearly-encrypted sounding audio, I never assume any signal received is actually a legit DMR signal. Too much blips and bursts of garbage when scanning to try to make too much of it until you have a reliable signal you can make sense of.
 

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I get "phantom" DMR hits on weak signals all the time. Unless I hear a clearly-DMR-sounding voice, or at least see a consistent RID and TG ID paired with "Enc" and clearly-encrypted sounding audio, I never assume any signal received is actually a legit DMR signal. Too much blips and bursts of garbage when scanning to try to make too much of it until you have a reliable signal you can make sense of.
Yeah, that makes sense. I will have to turn the squelch level up quite a bit on the SDS100, cuz it is extremely sensitive up here in Navajo County. And, I need to go through and re-add the CTSS/DCS codes to everything. As I mentioned a couple posts back, I opened up the search function since found a couple discrepancies in the RR database.
 
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