Honest Discussion - ALL opinions/choices respected (SDR dongles - vs- standard radios).

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I might be wrong, but I'm not sure that "unblocked" would make much difference since (I believe) most cell phone signals have gone digital.

I believe that to be correct. I remember reading someplace, possibly an edition of Popular Communications about a decade ago about the last analog tower being shut down.

Come to think of it, about that time I think I remember AOR (or someone else) selling a scanner that picked up video as well. But I have to wonder, since MOST video is now being digitally encrypted if they are next to worthless for that.
 

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I use both hardware radios and software defined radios, for everything from hobby use, to commercial monitoring. The first radio I made was an AM kit, soldering components to a perf board. Fast forward past many CB, amateur radios, and Uniden scanners, going into the military, I began to use higher end radio equipment. However, a Pro-2006 scanner stayed with me all through the analog cell phone years. Newer amateur hardware like the Icom IC-2100 got me into 2m comms, while I carried Motorola Astro Saber Model III's for the military. Then came XTS/XTL and now APX and Trbo series radios, for military, civilian work, and hobby use. I have spent more money on actual hardware radios. My most expensive handheld was a Harris XG-100P at $1200 though, bought as a demo unit at IWCE, and a Yaesu FT-817ND for about $800 or so. That Yaesu is probably up to about $2000 once you get amplifiers, filters, antennas and other "must have" accessories added in.

Then there is software defined or controlled gear. With the Global War on Terrorism, I bought an Icom PCR-1000 as I heard some of the early drones using them to listen to radio traffic. Well, with the right software these were very useful, and prompted the PCR-1500/2500 and R-1500 and 2500.....I did not buy any of those models though. Then the military went with WinRadio, for networks monitor radio equipment. I also found my self carrying Thales AN/PRC-148 and Harris AN/PRC-152 handhelds, and mounting AN/PRC-117's into vehicles, software defined radios. (I bought the Harris XG-100P based on my use of the AN/PRC-152 handheld). Then some smart people found out that with digital television, dongles sold in Europe and Asian countries could be re-tooled to monitor P25/Trbo and other radio systems.

SDR USB sticks were cheap overseas, under $10 each, and ran well on XP, but in my own experience, required their own computer.......you could not do anything else at the same time. This meant me buying newer computers with more memory, more USB SDR sticks, and using them to monitor P25 and Trbo radio networks. Even including laptop computers, my total cash outlay for SDR was probably only $1k, while hardware radios is probably $10k. Sitting at work right now as a radio system administrator, Astro/Trbo and analog conventional system in 52 states, I have one computer running SDR# for P25, a XPR7550e monitoring Trbo, a Technisonic TIL-91-DE VHF for aviation monitoring, two Pro-2032 scanners, and one Pro-2040 scanner, all personal gear to keep tabs on the network, beyond - ZoneWatch, UEM, and other dedicated tools.

I prefer to use both hardware and software, as they each have their merits.....ease of use for hardware, and lower cost and function for software. SDR# and a RTL SDR USB/laptop is cheaper than commercial spectrum monitoring equipment, by tens of thousands of dollars, in my own employers use case. I could set dozens of USB sticks in the field and monitor odd RF emitters for considerably less money, while getting more flexibility.
 

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SDR all the way. DC to daylight on the RSPdx, multiple Airspy. They make way better scanners than myBCD436 ever could.
For example, I can park just 1 sdr and monitor all trunked systems aka control channels within a 10mhz slice, catch every call on every site, then break out streams of TG's i'm interested in. (Yes this is a plug for SDRtrunk, a FOSS program that is amazing)
On top of that, my SDR have incredible scan speed. For doing airband monitoring, I was astonished at just how fast the scan can be.

On the transmit side, I'm considering an ANAN 7000DLE MK2. It seems that for non commercial purposes, radio technology has seen incredibly slow uptake of the revolution SDR brings. I'm talking about a fully digital chain start to finish. Like, dynamic predistortion of your amplified/transmitted signal (aka PureSignal) to compensate for non-linearity in your PA, or useage of wideband radio modes, and so on. The digital domain allows us many benefits, not just DSP.

Why would I want knobs and tiny buttons. I have a giant 38" widescreen monitor and more computing horsepower than a radio will ever have. Even a $40 raspberry pi coupled with a low cost dongle makes a permanent, headless, and reliable multipurpose scanning station. Plus, with gigabit fiber at home I can stream out all I want and access everything remotely from anywhere in the world. Frankly, desktop radios and SDR's both are expensive. But, only SDR lets you have a radio that evolves over time. Every new software release, new digital mode or decoder, new drivers, etc. Pick the right SDR, and it can change on your schedule too. If you want some feature or some change, you have the capability to write it and make it happen. GNUradio and other FOSS software is a revolution in signal processing and radio coms, and if the hobby fails to adopt it will die.
Spending many thousands on a console radio that probably have many flaws in its software that will never get fixed, and will just exist statically as it is today seems like a poor value proposition. Look at the SDS series..., or any number of still present bugs in the Big3 radios.
 
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For 55 years I was a dedicated knob twister who later discovered SDRs. Minimal success with a dongle, but after 3 SDRplay SDRs and 2 Airspy HF+s along with a KiwiSDR, I've divested myself of most tabletop receivers. But not because the tabletop receivers were no longer useful, it was just easier for me to take care of them now than to leave it to my wife (or sons) who don't have the interest in shortwave.

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This is simply in "the planning stage", I don't have any intention of actually buying until next fall when the weather brings me back inside, but what I'll be in the market for is an SDR for AM BCB-DXing. My intention is to record the whole band at once for 20 minutes, ten minutes on either side of the top-ot-the-hour station ID's. Once I get every thing recorded, go back later and listen to the individual stations. I figure if I do this, I'll have a greater chance of finding something good. It might be considered cheating, but I really do like to sleep at night.

Any suggestions for a unit that can fill this need that will not break the bank, but still perform decently? My current entry level SDR (cheap) was only purchased to see if I'd like that method of radio, and let me tell you, I really do like it!
 

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This is simply in "the planning stage", I don't have any intention of actually buying until next fall when the weather brings me back inside, but what I'll be in the market for is an SDR for AM BCB-DXing. My intention is to record the whole band at once for 20 minutes, ten minutes on either side of the top-ot-the-hour station ID's. Once I get every thing recorded, go back later and listen to the individual stations. I figure if I do this, I'll have a greater chance of finding something good. It might be considered cheating, but I really do like to sleep at night.

Any suggestions for a unit that can fill this need that will not break the bank, but still perform decently? My current entry level SDR (cheap) was only purchased to see if I'd like that method of radio, and let me tell you, I really do like it!

You might like SDRplay's RSPduo with 10MHz spectrum visibility from 1kHz to 2GHz.
The spectrum scope SDR software offers really makes it fun to hunt new signals. With the right software, SDR's can even follow trunked digital systems well even on portable PCs like SurfaceGo.
 

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I favor the right tool for the job, which means I use both SDR and radios. Two SDR's run 24/7 connected to Raspberry Pi computers. The SDRPlay usually sees use at least once a week. I often use it to measure levels, or find a particular signal with its wide 10 MHz waterfall view. I also use it for listening as well from HF to UHF.

Still, I mostly use typical scanners, receivers and transceivers to handle other RX duties even at the house where I could let an SDR do it to some degree. A scanner or receiver allow me to have what I need in al all-in-one device I can use at home, or take portable/mobile. Still, even in the field I occasionally use the SDRPlay connected to a tablet to hunt frequencies because of the visible spectrum.

A fun point that should be mentioned is remote access and being able to use a device to RX whether around the house or thousands of miles away via one's LAN or the Internet. The SDR favors that type of use because of the computer connection, but I have used handheld scanners that way for over a decade as well with the appropriate program...thank you Don Starr and others.
 

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I have no SDR dongles for scanning public service freqs... I use all hardware, Unication, and Uniden radios. I did how ever purchase the Icom 7300 SDR hf radio for ham radio and hf utility listening. All I can say is wow what a radio ,considerably better than my Icom 756 pro 3 which is a fine radio.
I also purchased the Icom sofware rs-ba1 ver 2 software to use with the 7300...now I have the best of both worlds.
Anyone thinking of buying the 7300 for swl use just do it you wont be disappointed , and hey you can use it later on for when you become a ham operator.
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A fun point that should be mentioned is remote access and being able to use a device to RX whether around the house or thousands of miles away via one's LAN or the Internet. The SDR favors that type of use because of the computer connection, but I have used handheld scanners that way for over a decade as well with the appropriate program...thank you Don Starr and others.

For me actually this is one of the biggest points. With SDR, I have easy access from anywhere in the world. I also have really bad simulcast distortion, but SDR is unaffected by that. My 436 basically has 0 copy of the system I monitor, while moving. Now, I can stream that feed from my house to my tablet or phone. Also the audio is way better than what I got out of the 436, somehow.
Also the timeshifting capability is not one to be forgotten...recording an entire band during a contest and going back to review later is great. Here's a recording of the 40 meter band I took last night while I went to eat dinner.


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I have both. On the analog side of things i prefer my desktop radio. I have no use for remote access (except from my LAN) and for me i don't see the point of recording anything for later listening. The software side of things is a total mess. I'm still waiting for a full suite of software that will take care of digital decoding. I've been messing around with different software packages, virtual audio cables and all. They are a pain to configure and you just hope it will work again after the next reboot. To me the problem is not with the SDR/conventional radio it is with the software.
 

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Actual "SDR" (= SDR dongle plus PC/uC) and "hardware radio" isn't an either...or.

On the one hand SDR is already available as (hardware) radio in simple form e.g. as HackRF+PortaPack, Malahit,- more complex as Yaesu SDR transceivers or Reuter RDR receivers. The difference to the actual "SDR" is, that no extra PC with monitor, keyboard, audio out is needed.

I think, the actual "SDR" will develop more and more into those "SDR radios". So future generations will know "hardware radios" mostly as "SDR radios". Perhaps USB-SDR-dongles are still sold for radio amateurs, developers ...
On the other hand our actual definition of "hardware radios" isn't unambiguous. The definition contains old tube radios, modern transistor/IC radios, partly digital radios with analog front end ...
That's history and we are standing in 2022 ...
 

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I use both. When we moved to Colorado in 2009, I ended up getting a PSR-500 because my old PRO-97 wouldn't handle the P-25 system they used there. When we came back to Oregon a couple years ago, I was disappointed to learn that my PSR-500 wouldn't work on the Phase II system Oregon moved to in the meantime, which is why I got into SDR's. I live out in the country now where everything is analog VHF/UHF and couldn't justify spending the $$$ on an SDS-100/200 for the few times a year we're in range of the Phase II systems. Through SDR, I've rediscovered my love of shortwave listening, as I don't have a shortwave radio anymore. With the RSP1A, I've even discovered a couple new frequencies for our area here and submitted them to the DB.
 

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I have both. SDR's are great in that not only can I SWL I can do other things like decode pagers, download WEFAX, track fleet truck movements, track ships at sea, download weather images from GOES or NOAA Satellites, etc.

Probably my favorite use though is just to have a visual representation of active bands. Then I just might move the antenna over to my FRG-7 or any of a dozen other shortwave radios I own. SDR's are a blast, I'm a computer geek, but I'm also 59 years old and grew up spinning that dial.

Nothing quite like spinning all those dials on a FRG-7.
 

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Oh the addiction
Using a uniden 996xt for most of the scanning
Realistic Pro 2022 for aircraft monitoring
2 rtl-sdr.com and nesdr smart Tee for shortwave and experimenting
newer patch antenna for aircraft and ship monitoring
and a tecsun PL-880 for travelling

When will it ever stop lol.
 

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Oh forgot RSP 1A and RSP DUO . Have not done the truck fleet movement yet ,interesting hangensieker , do you use the patch antenna for this ?
 

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Oh forgot RSP 1A and RSP DUO . Have not done the truck fleet movement yet ,interesting hangensieker , do you use the patch antenna for this ?
There's only one place around me who does the fleet tracking (that I can decode) and they are about 30 miles away. I had to use a discone as I recall. I just looked through my blog and I can't believe I didn't blog about how to track vehicles. May have to do it again here soon.
 

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Ok
There's only one place around me who does the fleet tracking (that I can decode) and they are about 30 miles away. I had to use a discone as I recall. I just looked through my blog and I can't believe I didn't blog about how to track vehicles. May have to do it again here soon.


Ok thanks for the reply . Probably would not work in my neck of the woods anyways.
 

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Ok



Ok thanks for the reply . Probably would not work in my neck of the woods anyways.
It's been a while since I've done it but I think if you grab on a system and it mentions LRRP in the event window you can configure LRRP.cfg to map the vehicles. I think I mapped the water department in Jacksonville, NC. I'm going to have to try this again so I can capture what I did and blog about it. Trouble is I moved since then and have no clue whether I can grab that signal again.
 

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Once I made some common mode chokes with 77 mix ferrite 240 cores my Airspy HF+Discovery became a real monster
for DXing NDB's below the AM broadcast band. It looks amazing on SDR Console running at max resolution on my 4k monitor.
It is the best NDB dxing machine I have ever used. Great on HF too. I have lots of receivers and love knobs but for finding
weak signals a giant waterfall is great. I keep adding new states every time I use it! I have to be diligent as the NDB's are being phased out.
Last night I heard the BBC on 198KC and the night before Medi 1 on 171kc. I am having a blast with the small plastic box!
 
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