HOTRRS ID Search New TGs
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I wonder if the land of milk and honey, Gatesville, Texas, will be joining this system? I don't have fond memories of this city. A very reliable source told me that GV PD and FD/EMS had a disagreement long ago. Hence, this is why they went to encryption. If they join HOTRRS, hopefully, this will end. Reportedly, they did not want the other department to monitor them and vice versa. I could certainly live without them. However, I am still curious. Then, we have Bruceville-Eddy to consider.
I think these migrations are the best thing that has happened since HOTRRS was created. Thanks to all that are involved in this process.
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I don't listen to the feed here. I don't know what is on the system. I don't even know the feed provider. That is a great question without much of an answer, sorry.
Well, I was fearing that this would eventually happen. Now, the wonderful nights of listening to various Waco PD talk groups has been afflicted with a horrible virus, encryption. Screw you Waco PD and McLennan SO. If I ever have interaction with either agency, you can expect absolutely no cooperation from this individual. My lips are also encrypted, and the key is secret.
I am strongly considering selling my SDS 100, fully loaded with updates. Now that this hobby has died on the vine, I can invest more in my other hobby, B&W photography. I need a FX zoom for my Nikon D750.
I am strongly considering selling my SDS 100, fully loaded with updates. Now that this hobby has died on the vine, I can invest more in my other hobby, B&W photography. I need a FX zoom for my Nikon D750.
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larrybl58
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Unless they spent a massive amount of $$$ and time I don't be leave they have. 1D 1E abs 3C were the only encrypted TG's. I just pulled up WPD live feed and it is active.
I am really pissed off about this; however, at least some of the county has not followed the ridiculous encryption trend of buffoonery. However, this may mean the other shoe has not dropped yet.
I still have the document sent to me by the former WPD PIO. When WPD first announced they would be migrating to digital, I made a post on Facebook indicating the dread of encryption. He said something like, "Don't put the cart before the horse, of course we will have to encrypt sensitive channels. We want the public to hear what we encounter on a daily basis."
Well, this lasted for some time. The world has certainly changed since the time of this letter.
Yes, WPD received additional monies:
Proposed Waco city budget increases police, capital improvements funding
In Waco, the city is under the thumb of Baylor University. In other words, they want to keep things sparkling clean. Tourism has reached epidemic proportions. Hordes of folks are coming from all of the world to see the damn silos. I wish there was a repellent that worked on humans.
One night, I was listening to the radio on one of the talk groups now afflicted with "E." There was a situation involving a bad actor. The U.S. Marshalls started the event; however, WPD showed up en masse.
It sounded like there was some bickering about who ruled the crime scene. The Marshalls held position in the backyard with guns drawn. They never left their position. WPD was going through all of the motions. The heavy-duty expensive militaristic toys shortly showed up. The Marshalls must have employed encryption or used a Federal conventional channel. I truly don't know.
I distinctly recall hearting WPD say there were 30 rounds fired at officers with an assault rifle. During the local news broadcast, the WPD PIO officer surfaced and proceeded to talk smack. General statements were given in an artful manner. The televised story indicated they received gunfire. The PIO said they fired back. That was it.
I just reviewed the radio system in one of the most crime-ridden and violent cities in the U.S., Memphis, Tennessee. There were very few encrypted talk groups on this phase II system. I was surprised to see the Homeland Security talk group. It was in the clear.
Next, I went to another violent crime-ridden city, Atlanta, Georgia. The phase II Atlanta Public Safety system had two encrypted channels: Narcotic Surveillance and Homeside/Missing Persons.
In Waco, I am quite sure someone asked, "What is being done with the crime in this city?" I would imagine the whining response was "We don't have encrypted channels."
I am not buying this bull****. I suppose the "E" may drop soon. I don't know how this rolls out. I am saying this because I heard WPD talking on Channel L the other night.
MCSO was sensible. Although "e" was not listed by the Special Ops talk group, it was being employed prior to the recent changes. Thank God for this.
I have not finished grieving the loss, LOL.
Gun discharge is a frequent occurrence here. In fact, multiple discharges are not uncommon in the same night. Now, the resolution of these incidents will be in the dark. The public will no longer be able to determine the lethality of the situation. They will no longer know if the bad actor penetrated the perimeter resulting in the crook running amok. I don't believe the talk groups were overwhelmed.
Ridiculous encryption drives a wedge between citizens and law enforcement in some cases. I know it does for yours truly.
Thanks, the catharsis helped a bit.
"Onward Through the Fog."--Oat Willie
Proposed Waco city budget increases police, capital improvements funding
In Waco, the city is under the thumb of Baylor University. In other words, they want to keep things sparkling clean. Tourism has reached epidemic proportions. Hordes of folks are coming from all of the world to see the damn silos. I wish there was a repellent that worked on humans.
One night, I was listening to the radio on one of the talk groups now afflicted with "E." There was a situation involving a bad actor. The U.S. Marshalls started the event; however, WPD showed up en masse.
It sounded like there was some bickering about who ruled the crime scene. The Marshalls held position in the backyard with guns drawn. They never left their position. WPD was going through all of the motions. The heavy-duty expensive militaristic toys shortly showed up. The Marshalls must have employed encryption or used a Federal conventional channel. I truly don't know.
I distinctly recall hearting WPD say there were 30 rounds fired at officers with an assault rifle. During the local news broadcast, the WPD PIO officer surfaced and proceeded to talk smack. General statements were given in an artful manner. The televised story indicated they received gunfire. The PIO said they fired back. That was it.
I just reviewed the radio system in one of the most crime-ridden and violent cities in the U.S., Memphis, Tennessee. There were very few encrypted talk groups on this phase II system. I was surprised to see the Homeland Security talk group. It was in the clear.
Next, I went to another violent crime-ridden city, Atlanta, Georgia. The phase II Atlanta Public Safety system had two encrypted channels: Narcotic Surveillance and Homeside/Missing Persons.
In Waco, I am quite sure someone asked, "What is being done with the crime in this city?" I would imagine the whining response was "We don't have encrypted channels."
I am not buying this bull****. I suppose the "E" may drop soon. I don't know how this rolls out. I am saying this because I heard WPD talking on Channel L the other night.
MCSO was sensible. Although "e" was not listed by the Special Ops talk group, it was being employed prior to the recent changes. Thank God for this.
I have not finished grieving the loss, LOL.
Gun discharge is a frequent occurrence here. In fact, multiple discharges are not uncommon in the same night. Now, the resolution of these incidents will be in the dark. The public will no longer be able to determine the lethality of the situation. They will no longer know if the bad actor penetrated the perimeter resulting in the crook running amok. I don't believe the talk groups were overwhelmed.
Ridiculous encryption drives a wedge between citizens and law enforcement in some cases. I know it does for yours truly.
Thanks, the catharsis helped a bit.
"Onward Through the Fog."--Oat Willie
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HiddenLefty
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It drives a wedge between me and any place that has ridiculous levels of it as well in that I want to stay well away from it because I don't feel my safety is valued. They're hiding things on purpose and that's called the truth. They can spin it however they want and leave out whatever they please if anything at all happens. I know it occurs frequently. When do those minor details start to matter? When are the details not so minor? I refuse to help this mindset and best bet I turn a blind eye if I'm ever in those places because my lips can be encrypted too. It's an act of police hostility against the public, as they get in trouble for the more public acts people are aware of, and it helps them hide those or spin them in their favor when they occur. Overuse is an overreach of power and that's clearly not being cracked down on in these little big towns that think they're something else, and even in these big cities where clear internal issues are being shoved behind an E wall to hide them better. That letter should be an exception, not all over.
JTexas539
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Ummm I think y'all might have jumped the gun a little. 1I/1J/1K/1L are still non-E. Maybe they used temp E but there is clear audio as new as about 2:30am today, August 24th...
larrybl58
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1I/1J/1K/1L are E Select able. Not used much because each E transmission causes an error beep on the dispatch consoles. None of the consoles support E.
Just a side note, LLVs console site does support E, I am sure larry was referring to county/city dispatch though.
Yes, I am fully aware of intermittent encryption on the channels mentioned. You have helped reduce my anger over this matter. In fact, I would go so far to say I was just pouting like a toddler, LOL. Thank you!
I planned on writing to the editor of the local newspaper about this matter but managed to restrain myself. I believe this might have resulted in adverse consequences, encryption on all talk groups.
However, someone needs to correct the submission that resulted in "E" being listed on HOTRRS. I tend to believe talk group 3C is fully encrypted. The U.S. Marshalls tend to use this.
At present, I am saying "whew." These late-night transmissions lull me to sleep.
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I just ran some errands. So, I decided to go to a Favorite designated as "Special Ops." This Favorite has: Waco PD 1A; MCSO 3A; several other tactical talk groups for other municipalities. I left all of the designated "E" talk groups intact.
Today, I heard WPD 1I, WPD 1H, MCSO 3G in the clear. Hopefully, there was a submission error unless they plan on launching encryption at a future date.
Why in the Hell doesn't Waco and MCSO go to Phase II? I would argue that most of the digital scanners in this area are Phase I.
Today, I heard WPD 1I, WPD 1H, MCSO 3G in the clear. Hopefully, there was a submission error unless they plan on launching encryption at a future date.
Why in the Hell doesn't Waco and MCSO go to Phase II? I would argue that most of the digital scanners in this area are Phase I.
Phase II is not anywhere close to cheap to enable on a system. There are multiple per device charges, so each repeater in the simulcast, plus the controllers, plus.... it adds up quickly. If they are not having any capacity related issues, there is no benefit to going TDMA.
Then there are subscriber costs. Every radio in a particular agency or those that talk to that agency for interop would have to be upgraded to a phase II capable one as well. I can tell you that most of the agencies we have interfaced with are still rocking XTS/XTLs.
Truthfully, if they needed more capacity, I would be looking to add 700MHz channels over TDMA.
HiddenLefty
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This is really interesting to learn. This is one of the better functioning systems I've found actually so on the technology side whoever does that does well. I'm thinking they did go Phase 2 and jump on the system they did here where I live to "hide" without encryption because they realize most people do not have what I do at their disposal and most of the "scanner equipped" people they're trying to avoid definitely are using an app or something a lot cheaper and easier to handle. All the tactical channels are gone off of VHF and now exist as a talk group on the new system you'd have to have found yourself or gotten when I've submitted it in here after I caught it. They don't share and it usually it comes up suddenly in a conversation when they switch channels and search catches on.
I hear WPD talking about various crooks having scanners. On one occasion, they said, I wonder if "so and so" is listening in on his scanner. If HOTRRS went to Phase II, the DEC numbers would change, I guess.
I have a question. Who does not share?
Just because it goes to TDMA does not mean the DEC changes. They can still use the same DEC and just change the modulation.
HiddenLefty
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These folks around Brown county are super touchy about anything scanner related and flag you in the system even if they find out. So far I've avoided that. They absolutely refuse to share information related to what anything is and LCRA even more so. If you don't happen to catch them switch channels and find out what the new TGID is, nobody would know. I often discover these during strange hours when they are trying to avoid having someone scanner equipped hear them oddly enough because that person apparently doesn't have digital listening or Phase 2 capabilities one. I'm thankful it's not E but also wish they didn't think they're the FBI when it comes to their radio system and hold every TGID under some "security stance". I'll just sit here and figure it out eventually anyway, post it here, and they can hide and watch. I need to do a dump of various things from various places actually because that's in the backlog.
On HOTRRS I've been noticing LLV pop up when I've been through the area and they seem to have good audio quality so far without any bad volume offsets to others. It would look like things are mostly going well from this side with that.
I'm surprised they don't try to hide some of what goes down in Bellmead. If you know, then you know. If you don't know, it's just a yikes. People boldly commit crime in front of the cops. It can be scary.
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Brownsville has always been a very strange city when it comes to LE. I have heard the system and it is clear as a bell.
I don't give a crap if anyone calls in the plates on my car, I am going to call dispatch and ask why. I have done this with Woodway on many occasions. McGregor used to stop a lot when I worked at prisons in GV. I called their ass as like I did when the Coryell deputy heard the loud metal music coming from my car. I could feel his little pig-eyes on me. It was not too long after I pulled out I heard my name. God that pissed me off!
Screw them if they write my name down, anywhere. I ain't afraid of confrontation.
Hmm, I am sitting here in my Lazy Boy listening to the following HOTRRS talk group. I do not see any intermittent "ENC" icons.
Almost every night, I hear the following talk groups, particularly 1K.
Hence, I am going to be making a video of 1G should anyone want to see this. Since they are in an ops mode, I might wait a few days.
Today, I submitted the two Cameron Park Zoo talk groups:
Zoo Ops Ch 1: TGID = 95;
Zoo Ops Ch 2: TGID = 96.
| 9 | 009 | DE | 1G WPD SpOp1 | 1G Special Ops 1 | Law Tac |
Almost every night, I hear the following talk groups, particularly 1K.
| 11 | 00b | De | 1I WPD Admn1 | 1I Administration 1 | Law Tac |
| 12 | 00c | De | 1J WPD Admn2 | 1J Administration 2 | Law Tac |
| 13 | 00d | DE | 1K WPD Admn3 | 1K Administration 3 | Law Tac |
| 14 | 00e | De | 1L WPD Admn4 | 1L Administration 4 | Law Tac |
Hence, I am going to be making a video of 1G should anyone want to see this. Since they are in an ops mode, I might wait a few days.
Today, I submitted the two Cameron Park Zoo talk groups:
Zoo Ops Ch 1: TGID = 95;
Zoo Ops Ch 2: TGID = 96.
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