Houston/Dale/Geneva/Henry County Question

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I am still fairly new to scanning in this area. I have an SDS100 with a Remtronix 842S antenna. I’m noticing when I am in Houston County/Dothan (at home) I won’t hear any traffic from those neighboring counties. When I travel to those counties, I receive radio traffic just fine. Is this normal for these counties? I’m not up to speed on how strong their signals are. I know the FD agency I work with uses UHF conventional DMR radios and I can at least receive signal occasionally on my portable radio inside my house, about 35 air miles away from the radio tower. I would have assumed I could do the same with neighboring Alabama counties on a scanner, but perhaps that’s just not possible with just a portable antenna?
 

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Sounds like you need a good outside antenna, as high up as you can get it. 35 miles is a stretch for a portable antenna. The bands you want to listen to will determine which antenna you get. By all means DO NOT get a discone if there is 700-800mhz in your area, it is well documented that they do not perform well on that band, especially in hilly or wooded areas.

This is what I use, but it is not cheap.
 

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Sounds like you need a good outside antenna, as high up as you can get it. 35 miles is a stretch for a portable antenna. The bands you want to listen to will determine which antenna you get. By all means DO NOT get a discone if there is 700-800mhz in your area, it is well documented that they do not perform well on that band, especially in hilly or wooded areas.

This is what I use, but it is not cheap.

I should say that the neighboring counties I want to pull in are as little as 15 miles away. The observation I made with my fire radio is that it will often hear signals from 35 (maybe more) miles away but my scanner won’t hear signals from the next county over. I thought about placing some sort of antenna up in the attic.
 

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Sometimes outside antennas work in the attic if no radiant barrier and no metal roof.

Does the scanner pickup better when outside the house?
 

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Sometimes outside antennas work in the attic if no radiant barrier and no metal roof.

Does the scanner pickup better when outside the house?
only way i can hear those counties is to literally drive there. I’ve wondered if the Remtronix antenna is defective but the stock antenna is the same way. I assumed I’d at least hear a stray signal once in a while, but that hasn’t happened either.
 

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If you programmed your scanner, what software did you use, or are you using zip code scanning?

If you can export your programming file to an .hpe file, zip it up and post it here, can take a look at it and see if programmed correctly as far as tower etc.
 
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Are you trying to listen to agencies that are on a trunked radio system, like the S&P NXDN system or the AIRS P25 system? If so, you may not be able to hear traffic outside your region unless you get a better antenna that can pick up the control channels being broadcast from closer to your target zones. At least, that's assuming that you've properly programmed in those other counties' info into your scanner.

As an example, if you're in Houston County and trying to monitor agencies on AIRS in Dale County, they may not be on the Houston County AIRS sites because it's outside their target coverage zone. Unless a Dale County radio travels to your area, you won't ever hear anything off the Houston County AIRS sites. But if you can get a good antenna up higher and pick up a control channel for an AIRS site in Dale County, you would probably hear everything then. AIRS is 700/800 MHz and it's a lot like cellular, the signals don't travel all that far compared to conventional UHF and VHF.

It's not a 100% certainty, but that's been my experience with trunked radio stuff over here in Baldwin County. Sometimes I can't hear a fire department less than 15 miles from me because they're not being relayed on my local towers… but then again I often hear EMS calls from Atmore which is over 40 miles away, all because they're being carried on a tower between me and them so I get them that way. It's kind of weird to grasp at first but eventually it makes sense.

The S&P NXDN system that's popular up there is on VHF and has great range, so if it's already programmed in, an antenna in a higher location should help.

I'm using an SDR on a PC, not a dedicated scanner, so my radio reception is not nearly as good, but my limit for reception on 700/800 MHz is like 15 miles tops, and that's with a simple outdoor antenna 30 feet up. But on VHF I often hear that S&P system out of Geneva County when band conditions are good even though it's probably 80 miles away.
 

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Just wondering how you receive the 5 weather freqs with your antenna. I think the SDS100
has these freqs loaded. I use them to see how my antennas are receiving. I live in Dothan if
you want to PM me. I know all the info for the Alabama counties, Florida and Georgia are
not much interest to me. Like Enforcer 52 said post a .hpe file for us to look at. We can give you
a step by step guide on how to do this. Its easier to send via email, RR is picky about file types.

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Are you trying to listen to agencies that are on a trunked radio system, like the S&P NXDN system or the AIRS P25 system? If so, you may not be able to hear traffic outside your region unless you get a better antenna that can pick up the control channels being broadcast from closer to your target zones. At least, that's assuming that you've properly programmed in those other counties' info into your scanner.

As an example, if you're in Houston County and trying to monitor agencies on AIRS in Dale County, they may not be on the Houston County AIRS sites because it's outside their target coverage zone. Unless a Dale County radio travels to your area, you won't ever hear anything off the Houston County AIRS sites. But if you can get a good antenna up higher and pick up a control channel for an AIRS site in Dale County, you would probably hear everything then. AIRS is 700/800 MHz and it's a lot like cellular, the signals don't travel all that far compared to conventional UHF and VHF.

It's not a 100% certainty, but that's been my experience with trunked radio stuff over here in Baldwin County. Sometimes I can't hear a fire department less than 15 miles from me because they're not being relayed on my local towers… but then again I often hear EMS calls from Atmore which is over 40 miles away, all because they're being carried on a tower between me and them so I get them that way. It's kind of weird to grasp at first but eventually it makes sense.

The S&P NXDN system that's popular up there is on VHF and has great range, so if it's already programmed in, an antenna in a higher location should help.

I'm using an SDR on a PC, not a dedicated scanner, so my radio reception is not nearly as good, but my limit for reception on 700/800 MHz is like 15 miles tops, and that's with a simple outdoor antenna 30 feet up. But on VHF I often hear that S&P system out of Geneva County when band conditions are good even though it's probably 80 miles away.
Everything is programmed correctly. When i travel the 10 or 15 miles to that neighboring county, such as Geneva County, I pick up everything just fine. Same with Dale County on AIRS. I just assumed the signal strength from those towers would be sufficient for me to hear at least a little bit of their radio traffic from home, but I suppose not. I’d love to stick an antenna up in the attic, but I have a metal roof, so I’m not sure the juice will be worth the squeeze. Perhaps that’s what is preventing the portable antenna from hearing anything also.
 

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Perhaps that’s what is preventing the portable antenna from hearing anything also.
I would say it is definitely the biggest part of the problem. I have a metal roof, the only system I pickup 100% with the stock antenna is the town that's 3 miles from me. Other surrounding towns are from 16 to 25 miles away and all I get from them are occasional blips of traffic. Can walk outside with my hand held and everything comes in pretty decent. Being in a heavily forested area also cuts down on my signal strength.

The very minimum would be a decent mag mount tri-band antenna, stuck on the peak of the roof would probably help a lot if you can't put something up on a pole.

That's why I run the types of antenna's that are listed in my signature.
 

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I would say it is definitely the biggest part of the problem. I have a metal roof, the only system I pickup 100% with the stock antenna is the town that's 3 miles from me. Other surrounding towns are from 16 to 25 miles away and all I get from them are occasional blips of traffic. Can walk outside with my hand held and everything comes in pretty decent. Being in a heavily forested area also cuts down on my signal strength.

The very minimum would be a decent mag mount tri-band antenna, stuck on the peak of the roof would probably help a lot if you can't put something up on a pole.

That's why I run the types of antenna's that are listed in my signature.

By threat of divorce I won’t be able to mount an external antenna unless it’s concealed in the attic, which might not be worth the effort. I can only extend this scanner hobby so far….LOL
 

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Everything is programmed correctly. When i travel the 10 or 15 miles to that neighboring county, such as Geneva County, I pick up everything just fine. Same with Dale County on AIRS. I just assumed the signal strength from those towers would be sufficient for me to hear at least a little bit of their radio traffic from home, but I suppose not. I’d love to stick an antenna up in the attic, but I have a metal roof, so I’m not sure the juice will be worth the squeeze. Perhaps that’s what is preventing the portable antenna from hearing anything also.
Dale County's sites do not perform too well, even within the county. Dispatchers frequently telling units they're unreadable.

The Central site (FCC Callsign WQTS955 (Ozark, City of)) is the best performer, at 70w ERP. I've never received the North site, and I'm not sure whether the Andrews Avenue or Peacock Avenue site is actually active - I think it's Peacock (Tower 1) at the E911 center.

In Dothan, I have a yagi pointed directly at the South site (FCC Callsign WQYD847 (DALE, COUNTY OF) - Tower 3) and it is still difficult to decode a good signal from that site.

When I am on the road into Ozark, even my Unication G5 has trouble maintaining a good signal to the Central site.
 
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