BCD436HP/BCD536HP: ID Search

[Ensnared]

The local Phase II trunking system, HOTRRS, encompasses entities like the water department, sanitation, etc.

Is it possible to setup ID search specific to law enforcement talk groups. If I an not mistaken, I used this method to discover Pro-Voice talk groups in Temple, Texas.

Any help?

 

[doctordialtone]

Is it possible to setup ID search specific to law enforcement talk groups

I don't think so.

ID Scan/Search is explained here

 

[trentbob]

Best way to do that I would think is, make sure you only have the service types that you want and then toggle back and forth between function and E. This will turn ID search on and off.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Is it possible to setup ID search specific to law enforcement talk groups.

No. There is no way for the scanner to know the service type of a talkgroup without it being identified in the RR database (see "Tag" column in a TRS's talkgroup table). ID Search only IDs those talkgroups that haven't been identified and/or programmed into a favorites list from the RR database

 

[trentbob]

I've never tried it doc. If the only has the service types enabled that he wants and then does a service search, that won't work? I've never tried it LOL.

 

[trentbob]

No. There is no way for the scanner to know the service type of a talkgroup without it being identified in the RR database (see "Mode" column in a TRS's talkgroup table). ID Search only IDs those talkgroups that haven't been identified and/or programmed into a favorites list from the RR database

That certainly does make sense unless what's being searched was already programmed into the radio and would come up with Alpha tagged information but if it's an unknown talk group you guys are absolutely right oh, how would it know the service type?

 

[trentbob]

I'm bad

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I'm bad

 

[Ensnared]

Best way to do that I would think is, make sure you only have the service types that you want and then toggle back and forth between function and E. This will turn ID search on and off.

Thank you, I will give that a go. Copperas Cove, TX still operates on EDACS and ProVoice. I have this one on ID search. I might set an additional Favorite using ID search for HOTRRS.

 

[RMason]

ID search will search all IDs in a system except any programmed TGs that have been avoided or disabled (through inactive Departments, or disabled Service Types, for example).

 

[trentbob]

Thank you, I will give that a go. Copperas Cove, TX still operates on EDACS and ProVoice. I have this one on ID search. I might set an additional Favorite using ID search for HOTRRS.

What I quoted was wrong, brain was not engaged. The other fellows are right on the money. Can't pick and choose service types on unknown talk groups, only ones that were previously programmed.

 

[Ensnared]

No. There is no way for the scanner to know the service type of a talkgroup without it being identified in the RR database (see "Tag" column in a TRS's talk group table). ID Search only IDs those talkgroups that haven't been identified and/or programmed into a favorites list from the RR database

When I was using ID search with HOTTRS, I was receiving previously-identified talk groups. Sometimes, it would land of one I'd programmed with alerts and tones, etc. However, it would also land on the same talk group without programmed features.

Well, that is what I recall. I might be wrong. I suppose the best way to discover new talk groups is using SDR.

 

[Ensnared]

What I quoted was wrong, brain was not engaged. The other fellows are right on the money. Can't pick and choose service types on unknown talk groups, only ones that were previously programmed.

I was typing when you responded. I am attempting to find any Phase II talk groups that may exist.

 

[trentbob]

Then just toggle function E but you might be hearing... The dog catcher.

 

[RMason]

You may want to look at Trunking Discovery Mode: Trunking Discovery Mode

Trunking Discovery Mode allows you to monitor a trunked radio Site for channels not currently in the database. It can automatically record audio and log newly discovered channels for later review and identification.

 

[hiegtx]

You may want to look at Trunking Discovery Mode: Trunking Discovery Mode

Trunking Discovery Mode allows you to monitor a trunked radio Site for channels not currently in the database. It can automatically record audio and log newly discovered channels for later review and identification.

I use Discovery periodically on several local systems that are adding users and talkgroups. The Ellis County layer of FWRRS initially only had Midlothian & Red Oak. But last summer, Ellis County itself, as well as the county seat (Waxahachie) agreed to join, along with upgrading the layer to P25 Phase II only and adding three additional sites. Running Discovery, I've been able to identify new talkgroups for the two new members, and have started to see talkgroups coming into play for another city in the county, Ennis, which also disclosed plans to join. There is at least one more city that will join (Palmer), but I have not seen a projected schedule of when that will occur.

You can set Discovery to only log & record new talkgroups, or any activity. It will also collect recordings of activity for each talkgroup, that you can playback & use to establish the agency & usage. If you 'find' new TGIDs, but they are service types not of interest (such as utilities or public works), you can add those to your programmed system & set to avoid to thin out the herd that Discovery finds.

 

[Ensnared]

I use Discovery periodically on several local systems that are adding users and talkgroups. The Ellis County layer of FWRRS initially only had Midlothian & Red Oak. But last summer, Ellis County itself, as well as the county seat (Waxahachie) agreed to join, along with upgrading the layer to P25 Phase II only and adding three additional sites. Running Discovery, I've been able to identify new talkgroups for the two new members, and have started to see talkgroups coming into play for another city in the county, Ennis, which also disclosed plans to join. There is at least one more city that will join (Palmer), but I have not seen a projected schedule of when that will occur.

You can set Discovery to only log & record new talkgroups, or any activity. It will also collect recordings of activity for each talkgroup, that you can playback & use to establish the agency & usage. If you 'find' new TGIDs, but they are service types not of interest (such as utilities or public works), you can add those to your programmed system & set to avoid to thin out the herd that Discovery finds.

Thanks Steve and all that responded. I will read up on using Discovery.