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Johnston County P25 channel update

After lots of monitoring and logging, here is what I have found. Yes, the new P25 is basically using the old site frequencies with some minor changes, mostly in how the sites identify themselves (for instance, I believe Clayton site used to be Site 1 in EDACS, and is now Site 3, and all the others shuffled down in numbering as well). Below is how they are identifying themselves now, at least in Unitrunker.

Important note: The control channels have been changing quite a bit, so the only way I can get this config to work reliably is to enter ALL the channels on each site as control channels and chase it around. What I can't tell you is whether that is standard operation procedure for Harris systems, or if eventually they'll settle down and just designate one as control and one or two more as alternates. Right now it is floating around, maybe they are trying to do some testing to see which frequencies perform best as control channels, I don't know.

I have listed the CURRENT control channel as (c) and all the others as alternates (a) for the reason I mentioned above.

Also, in the list below, I do not necessarily know the LCN order (though I can see the LCN in Unitrunker), so they are just listed here, not necessarily in the correct order for each site. Since P25 system tables self-populate (control channel continually tells the channels in the site), I don't think it really matters.

Site 3 - Clayton
853.9875a
856.7125c
857.7125a
858.1375a
858.7125a
859.7125a


Site 4 - Selma
851.2250c
851.7250a
852.2000a
852.3250a
852.7000a
853.2250a
855.7125a

Site 5 - Archer Lodge
851.4375c
852.3250a
852.9375a
853.7250a

Site 6 - Benson
851.3000c
852.3000a
852.8000a
853.5500a
853.9500a

Site 7 - McGee Crossroads
854.7375c
856.5625a
857.5625a
858.5625a
859.0375a

For those running Unitrunker, you will see the channels listed twice, once as their P25 Phase I slot, and two more times below as their P25 Phase II slots. For instance, Unitrunker identifies Clayton (Site 3) frequency 853.98750 as LCN 00-0234 (Phase I) and again two more times as Phase II slots as 08-0468 (slot 1) and 08-0469 (slot 2). That is, LCNs with a 00 prefix are the Phase I channel identifiers, and those with prefix 08 are the Phase II channel identifiers.

A review of the logging shows fairly well distributed hits on the Phase I traffic and the Phase II traffic, for the example frequency above, there were 3100 Phase I traffic hits, and 3141 / 341 Phase II hits slots 1 / 2. Regarding Phase II traffic, there is a weighting toward using the first slot in the channel timing over the second slot, about 2:1, which means little and it probably driven by Harris' algorithm. (It's also possible that Phase I hits also count toward Phase II slot 1 hits, I don't know).

Having designed a system or two in my younger days, I'd have to say the system is working well from a performance standpoint (I can't speak to what the users think of it). It really got a workout on the day with the three bad wrecks on I-95 a few weeks ago, soon after switching over to the P25 system. The Channel Activity display in Unitrunker looked like the Amtrak arrival board in Penn Station, every channel seemed to get a workout, though there seemed to be no problems. Kudos to the radio folks.
 
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Radio ID scheme for fire service

I have identified the following radio IDs for the various departments. Radios (for fire service) seem to have the following numbering scheme. Note that law and other agencies don't follow this, and have completely different numbering schemes compared to fire:

7 digits
xxx - First three, department (see list below)
x - type, 1 for a vehicle and 2 for a portable
xxx - Unit

For instance, "Blackman's Crossroads Brush 1" Radio ID is 2281000
228 - Blackman's Crossroads
1 - vehicle, (versus a portable)
000 - unit (Brush 1)

I continue to be impressed by how well planned out this rollout is, but then Johnston County is a pretty big operation (almost the size of the State of Rhode Island). Perhaps someone can fill in the blanks on the ones I don't have (I just haven't personally heard a call dispatched for these missing departments to track it).

??? ANTIOCH FIRE DEPARTMENT
204 ARCHER LODGE FIRE DEPARTMENT
216 BENSON FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? BENTONVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT
220 BETHANY FIRE DEPARTMENT
228 BLACKMAN'S CROSSROADS FIRE DEPARTMENT
212 BROGDEN FIRE DEPARTMENT
240 CLAYTON FIRE DEPARTMENT
236 CLEVELAND FIRE DEPARTMENT
232 CORINTH-HOLDERS FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? ELEVATION FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? 50/210 FIRE DEPARTMENT
248 FOUR OAKS FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? KENLY FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? MEADOW FIRE DEPARTMENT
260 MICRO FIRE DEPARTMENT
268 PINE LEVEL FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? PRINCETON FIRE DEPARTMENT
276 SELMA FIRE DEPARTMENT
280 SMITHFIELD FIRE DEPARTMENT
284 STRICKLAND'S CROSSROADS FIRE DEPARTMENT
288 THANKSGIVING FIRE DEPARTMENT
??? WEST JOHNSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT
296 WILSON'S MILLS FIRE DEPARTMENT
 

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204: Archer Lodge
208: Antioch
212: Brogden
216: Benson
220: Bethany
228: Blackmons Xrds
240: Clayton
244: Elevation
260: Micro
264: Meadow
268: Pine Level
272: Princeton
276: Selma
284: Stricklands Xrds
288: Thanksgiving
292: West Johnston
296: Wilson's Mills

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danko139,

Thanks for the info. Sites 4 & 5 both list 852.3250 as an alternate CC. Can they/ Would they have the same frequency for two different sites?

Good to know about the radio id combination. I had seen the sequencing of numbers in Pro96com and figured out the radio call-outs for different SO deputies was part of that number, (i.e. 2601, 2602, etc.) but the other parts were/is what I don't have a grasp on yet. Thanks for the starting point.

I followed your link, good info and site for learning.

I have a bunch of TGID from my logs that are not assigned to anything in the RR database, I have included them in my 436 as "Private", but unsure if that is what they are. One of them turned into the most recent RR addition for Schools (3026). And I have heard traffic on a couple of them on the 436, but I haven't correlated them to anything concrete yet. They are various sequence of numbers from 10XX to 60XX. The 1044 and other private TGID in the RRDB is what led me to that hypothesis.
 

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More accurate site and channel list

Thanks for pointing out that typo about 852.3250 being listed for both Selma and Archer Lodge. That is in fact a typo. Just did a pull from Unitrunker's site channel list and that does appear on the site but with no hits, so I think it is safe to say that 852.3250 is ONLY at Archer Lodge, and in fact, at the moment it is Archer Lodge's Control Channel.

Therefore at this time I think it is prudent to drop the (c) and (a) designators] for at the moment, any of these channels could become the control channel. Here is the updated listing.

Site 3 - Clayton
853.9875
856.7125
857.7125
858.1375
858.7125
859.7125

Site 4 - Selma
851.2250
851.7250
852.2000
852.7000
853.2250
855.7125

Site 5 - Archer Lodge
851.4375
852.3250
852.9375
853.7250

Site 6 - Benson
851.3000
852.3000
852.8000
853.5500
853.9500

Site 7 - McGee Crossroads
854.7375
856.5625
857.5625
858.5625
859.0375

Sometimes you see the Selma site listed as Smithfield, and I have seen Archer Lodge listed as Clayton, but I believe the above list to be very accurate (for now, haha). And despite what the FCC ULS listing shows, I believe the "Clayton" tower site to be behind Clayton FD Station 2, on Rt 42 E just east of Hwy 70 Business, or near Glen Laurel Rd because the old tower off 2800 Country Ln Clayton was dismantled years ago (FCC ULS).. Can anyone confirm or dispel that?
 

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Mokanic, the RR database listing for Johnston County is not very updated, but I think that is because a) the system is only now becoming stable enough to list, and, b) I don't think anyone has officially submitted a fairly complete listing of the site to the mods. Most especially, I think it would be safe to post the data I have collected on the sites (and maybe I should get off my rear and submit it) and then of course to have the P25 system come up in the RR listing as the Johnston County system, not the old EDACS system which I don't think will ever come back.

I have a fairly complete listing of the Talkgroups for the P25 implementation; many, many more than are currently listed, though my research shows all those that are listed are in fact correct. If you would like, I would be pleased to share it with you if you private message me. It has lots of errors (mostly from bad reception of the control channels at times) so it is not ready for the RR Database yet, but it will probably answer a lot of questions for you.
 

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Email audio of Johnston County FD dispatches

As a means of doing faster research of FD Talkgroups, etc., I built a system that emails the audio of the various Johnston County FD dispatches to your phone, akin to what you'd be able to play back and hear if you had a Minitor pager with the record/playback feature. It required me to figure out the two tone codes used for each department and by brute force I have done that, but if you'd like to help me test it, private message me your email address that and the FD (Archer Lodge, Micro, etc.) that you'd like to have the pages sent to your email and I'd be happy to add you. I don't have them all, and it mis-reads some page tones because I have some of the page codes wrong. I could use a few people to help me test it. We used this at the EMS service I retired from and it was great to get the audio of the call on your phone as an email in case someone was yapping at you when the broadcast came out.
 

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204: Archer Lodge
208: Antioch
212: Brogden
216: Benson
220: Bethany
228: Blackmons Xrds
240: Clayton
244: Elevation
260: Micro
264: Meadow
268: Pine Level
272: Princeton
276: Selma
284: Stricklands Xrds
288: Thanksgiving
292: West Johnston
296: Wilson's Mills

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224: Bentonville FD
 

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Thanks. Got 'em all now. 3-digit radio ID prefixes for Johnston County FD departments

204 ARCHER LODGE FIRE DEPARTMENT
208 ANTIOCH FIRE DEPARTMENT
212 BROGDEN FIRE DEPARTMENT
216 BENSON FIRE DEPARTMENT
220 BETHANY FIRE DEPARTMENT
224 BENTONVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT
228 BLACKMAN'S CROSSROADS FIRE DEPARTMENT
232 CORINTH-HOLDERS FIRE DEPARTMENT
236 CLEVELAND FIRE DEPARTMENT
240 CLAYTON FIRE DEPARTMENT
244 ELEVATION FIRE DEPARTMENT
248 FOUR OAKS FIRE DEPARTMENT
252 50/210 FIRE DEPARTMENT
256 KENLY FIRE DEPARTMENT
260 MICRO FIRE DEPARTMENT
264 MEADOW FIRE DEPARTMENT
268 PINE LEVEL FIRE DEPARTMENT
272 PRINCETON FIRE DEPARTMENT
276 SELMA FIRE DEPARTMENT
280 SMITHFIELD FIRE DEPARTMENT
284 STRICKLAND'S CROSSROADS FIRE DEPARTMENT
288 THANKSGIVING FIRE DEPARTMENT
292 WEST JOHNSTON FIRE DEPARTMENT
296 WILSON'S MILLS FIRE DEPARTMENT
 
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Thank you for your work on this danko139. I moved here 3 years ago and realized that the JoCo Sheriff's office was one of the only departments I couldn't monitor on my 396XT. I recently got a 536HP and it wasn't picking up much either on the new P25 system. I added a new system in my favorites with the frequencies you have listed, and it took all of 15 seconds to hit on the JoCo Sheriff's Dispatch and the entire system is fairly active tonight.
 

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Sometimes you see the Selma site listed as Smithfield, and I have seen Archer Lodge listed as Clayton, but I believe the above list to be very accurate (for now, haha). And despite what the FCC ULS listing shows, I believe the "Clayton" tower site to be behind Clayton FD Station 2, on Rt 42 E just east of Hwy 70 Business, or near Glen Laurel Rd because the old tower off 2800 Country Ln Clayton was dismantled years ago (FCC ULS).. Can anyone confirm or dispel that?

The "Smithfield" tower appears to physically be in Selma, off JR road. It is close enough to Smithfield, I guess we could call it the Smelma or Selfield tower :)
I can confirm the tower on 42 in Clayton. I can ride by with no antenna and still get a strong signal. It goes away when I get about 1.5 miles away.
I have been by the "old" Country Lane site (Country Lane only gets to about 800 by the way) and the tower is no longer there. It doesn't show up on google maps overhead view (2016), but it can still be seen on the street view (2008). But, I was not able to see the tower there when I rode by and I get NO signal (w/o antenna) when in the area where the tower was supposed to be located.
The Archer's Lodge EDACS/P25 tower is less than a mile from the Archer's Lodge VIPR tower per google maps. Need to do some recon to confirm that is still the case.
Looks like they will use the old EDACS sites with the exception of Clayton.
I guess the next step is to determine tower radius (same as EDACS?)and GPS coordinates and get all submitted to the database for update. I have, what I believe, the correct GPS coordinates for the sites (40% physical confirmation. I used google maps to find closest tower in relation to addresses listed for old EDACS system).

David
 

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Smithfield tower is on yelverton Grove Rd off US Hwy 70 Bus.

The Clayton tower is behind CFD Sta 2 and has been their since the Country Lane tower was taken down nearly 10 years ago

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Smithfield tower is on yelverton Grove Rd off US Hwy 70 Bus.

The Clayton tower is behind CFD Sta 2 and has been their since the Country Lane tower was taken down nearly 10 years ago

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Yeah, right in the middle of the curve google maps changes the road name to JR road going towards the tower. Maybe it used to be the Smithfield side of JR road until the bypass cut it in two sections and it just hasn't been updated to be YGR yet.???? Or maybe it has always been YGR and google maps has it wrong.???? Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Unknown Talk Groups

I have hits on a lot of talk groups not listed in the database. If anyone has any info on additional TGs, I'd love to see it. I'm catching a lot in the 65100-65200 range, and few in the mid 1000's, 4000's and 5000s.

Tonight:
TG 1052 Fire Training
TG 1055 Fire Training
 
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