KSP Phase 2 Trunked?

[ofd8001]

Just speculating, but I can see state government struggling to find money to fund a major overhaul of the current system. Minor upgrades where there are dead spots, possibly, but not a whole new system right now.

 

[scannerboy02]

To add a bit more to the speculation of a statewide radio system, at least from a planning standpoint, if you take a look at the talk group and radio ID selection for the new northern Kentucky radio system you will see that they are using ID's that lineup with a statewide format.

Boone County (county number 8) is using TGID's 4500 to 4999 and RID's 800000 to 899999.
Campbell County (county number 19) is using TGID's 10000 to 10499 and RID's 1900000 to 1999999.
Kenton County (county number 59) is using TGID's 30000 to 30499 and RID's 5900000 to 5999999.

If you take a look at the attached PDF you will see the statewide format they are using.

 

[Remington12G]

To add a bit more to the speculation of a statewide radio system, at least from a planning standpoint, if you take a look at the talk group and radio ID selection for the new northern Kentucky radio system you will see that they are using ID's that lineup with a statewide format.

Boone County (county number 8) is using TGID's 4500 to 4999 and RID's 800000 to 899999.
Campbell County (county number 19) is using TGID's 10000 to 10499 and RID's 1900000 to 1999999.
Kenton County (county number 59) is using TGID's 30000 to 30499 and RID's 5900000 to 5999999.

If you take a look at the attached PDF you will see the statewide format they are using.

I would think that if Kentucky ever wanted a state network, i would think that this new Northern TRS would be the starting point.

 

[scannerboy02]

I would think that if Kentucky ever wanted a state network, i would think that this new Northern TRS would be the starting point.

I agree with that.

It would be nice to see the state take the lead and push towards networking the existing P25 systems into one system. If the state were to purchase/upgrade a P25 core and allow the existing sites to link to it and then all future sites link to it they would be well on the way to a statewide system.

I will need to do some research on this but I think they can also link P25 conventional sites into the core so if one (say KSP) unit were to be on a conventional site and another on a trunking site they should be able to talk to each other. I'm not 100% sure about that but I will look into it.

 

[Remington12G]

Anyone able to tell me what these frequencies are used for, I have seen them in quite a few Kentucky counties. I feel like they have something to do with the Kentucky First Net project for data delivery.

FCC Callsign WQEX853 (KENTUCKY, COMMONWEALTH OF)

FCC Callsign WQEX853 (KENTUCKY, COMMONWEALTH OF)

www.radioreference.com

Welcome - FirstNet in Kentucky

kyfirstnet.ky.gov

 

[scannerboy02]

According to the emissions designator its for RD-LAP

 

[Remington12G]

According to the emissions designator its for RD-LAP

If it's for MDT Data, would this be for KSP or local PSAP's.

 

[scannerboy02]

"SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY DATA COMMUNICATION TO LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER AUTHORIZED GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES."

It would appear all the above.

 

[Remington12G]

"SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY DATA COMMUNICATION TO LOCAL AND STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND OTHER AUTHORIZED GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES."

It would appear all the above.

Ah ok, Thanks.

 

[ofd8001]

If you look at the FCC license info, you'll see the KSP communications folks are the contact people.

 

[ofd8001]

To add a bit more to the speculation of a statewide radio system, at least from a planning standpoint, if you take a look at the talk group and radio ID selection for the new northern Kentucky radio system you will see that they are using ID's that lineup with a statewide format.

Boone County (county number 8) is using TGID's 4500 to 4999 and RID's 800000 to 899999.
Campbell County (county number 19) is using TGID's 10000 to 10499 and RID's 1900000 to 1999999.
Kenton County (county number 59) is using TGID's 30000 to 30499 and RID's 5900000 to 5999999.

If you take a look at the attached PDF you will see the statewide format they are using.

I think this might be some wishful thinking on the part of a local person, who would like their area's system to be the basis of a statewide system. Sometimes folks think it is easier to "sell" to elected officials or the public if they say their new system could become a regional thing. However the list provided was not well thought out because there are no provisions for state or federal agencies.

This website might be of interest: Welcome It shows a plan for using interoperable frequencies as well as saying how nice it would be where folks could talk with their neighbors. Despite a lot of agencies signing up to be approved to use the interoperable frequencies, I doubt most responders are aware this capability exists. It certainly is not used on a regular basis. Usually the best thing for interoperability is departments programming their neighbor's frequencies and going that route.

Unfortunately there is no vision for a statewide system. The Kentucky Wireless Interoperability Emergency Communications group would have been the best place for this to be done. KSP is associated with that group and they had to be thinking about new radio stuff back in January 2017.

 

[Remington12G]

I think this might be some wishful thinking on the part of a local person, who would like their area's system to be the basis of a statewide system. Sometimes folks think it is easier to "sell" to elected officials or the public if they say their new system could become a regional thing. However the list provided was not well thought out because there are no provisions for state or federal agencies.

This website might be of interest: Welcome It shows a plan for using interoperable frequencies as well as saying how nice it would be where folks could talk with their neighbors. Despite a lot of agencies signing up to be approved to use the interoperable frequencies, I doubt most responders are aware this capability exists. It certainly is not used on a regular basis. Usually the best thing for interoperability is departments programming their neighbor's frequencies and going that route.

Unfortunately there is no vision for a statewide system. The Kentucky Wireless Interoperability Emergency Communications group would have been the best place for this to be done. KSP is associated with that group and they had to be thinking about new radio stuff back in January 2017.

Thanks, for interoperability here in Scott they have just installed a new P25 system. Found out last night they set up a permanent gateway to VTAC 1 for Air Medical Interop. They have been dubbed as MAC (Multi-Agency Channel). Not sure what they have set up for Univ of KY & Lexington but that was "supposed" to be plus for us going to P25.

 

[scannerboy02]

I think this might be some wishful thinking on the part of a local person, who would like their area's system to be the basis of a statewide system. Sometimes folks think it is easier to "sell" to elected officials or the public if they say their new system could become a regional thing. However the list provided was not well thought out because there are no provisions for state or federal agencies.

This website might be of interest: Welcome It shows a plan for using interoperable frequencies as well as saying how nice it would be where folks could talk with their neighbors. Despite a lot of agencies signing up to be approved to use the interoperable frequencies, I doubt most responders are aware this capability exists. It certainly is not used on a regular basis. Usually the best thing for interoperability is departments programming their neighbor's frequencies and going that route.

Unfortunately there is no vision for a statewide system. The Kentucky Wireless Interoperability Emergency Communications group would have been the best place for this to be done. KSP is associated with that group and they had to be thinking about new radio stuff back in January 2017.

To be clear, I was the one who put the list together as an example of the formatting they are using. It's not anything official. This format has plenty of space available for additional agencies.

Also, I see nothing wrong with local agencies setting up new radio systems formatted for something bigger. Better to do it now than to need to change everything later in the event things do get linked together. It's good planning and I applaud them for doing it.

 

[buddrousa]

That looks to be the standard firstnet info trying to sell to local and state you still have to think about the several hundred million dollars for the sites and it took Tn over 3 years to build out Phase 1 which is mobile coverage with portables working near tower sites.

 

[ofd8001]

To be clear, I was the one who put the list together as an example of the formatting they are using. It's not anything official. This format has plenty of space available for additional agencies.

Also, I see nothing wrong with local agencies setting up new radio systems formatted for something bigger. Better to do it now than to need to change everything later in the event things do get linked together. It's good planning and I applaud them for doing it.

What you came up with is logical - you are using the county numbers as the first digits for radio ID numbers as well as talk group numbers. There is no dispute with your methodology.

Where we see things differently is in the "local agencies setting up new radio systems formatted for something bigger". That should have been a coordinated statewide vision.

Having said all that, because there is no state leadership on this subject, local folks (as in you) are trying to be progressive to make up that void. Unfortunately what works good in northern Kentucky may not in Jefferson County.

My real beef is that no one from the state has stepped up to be the leader.

 

[mastr]

...My real beef is that no one from the state has stepped up to be the leader.

I would not want that job at any rate - it would be one where no matter what you do, someone will be complaining about it.

 

[red8]

One can't put a price tag on officer safety. There is some grant money out there that they could use to finance it.

 

[Remington12G]

I have heard some info lately from a non-state agency discussing the ability to communicate across the state on 800MHz. The agency name won't be released but according to them there's some funds and a starting point already reserved. Not sure how accurate they were. Although as I posted above some 800MHz data license from KSP for MDT data which I belive links back to this page. Welcome - FirstNet in Kentucky

 

[wa8pyr]

To add a bit more to the speculation of a statewide radio system, at least from a planning standpoint, if you take a look at the talk group and radio ID selection for the new northern Kentucky radio system you will see that they are using ID's that lineup with a statewide format.

Boone County (county number 8) is using TGID's 4500 to 4999 and RID's 800000 to 899999.
Campbell County (county number 19) is using TGID's 10000 to 10499 and RID's 1900000 to 1999999.
Kenton County (county number 59) is using TGID's 30000 to 30499 and RID's 5900000 to 5999999.

If you take a look at the attached PDF you will see the statewide format they are using.

Copycats. Ohio MARCS-IP started that trend