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12dbsinad

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At under 100 feet there is little difference between LMR-400 and LDF4-50. Not enough to impact coverage. It is the braid over foil, and the PIM potential, that is the bigger issue, and why I was asking for technical documentation.

Yeah, I'm well aware of the braid over foil issue. We NEVER use LMR-400 for antenna feed line or braided anything. It's hardline with 1/2 inch super flex jumper to the antenna. Braided cable is asking for trouble. Hope you found the proper documentation for it to use something different.

What band is this running on anyway?
 

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Yeah, I'm well aware of the braid over foil issue. We NEVER use LMR-400 for antenna feed line or braided anything. It's hardline with 1/2 inch super flex jumper to the antenna. Braided cable is asking for trouble. Hope you found the proper documentation for it to use something different.



What band is this running on anyway?


The current repeater is 171/172MHz. Although the two new repeaters could end up anywhere from 137-174MHz(minus 144-148MHz) all depends where there are a couple of free pairs. I hope they are between 160-170MHz or even above 170MHz so we can run 5/8wave antennas on our mobiles, and segment specific antennas on out portables.
 

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So at 170 Meg your looking at roughly 3/4 db improvement over LMR with 1/2 inch. I'd gather some prices if you have not already for 1/2 inch, gather the PIM specs for each, and tell the decision making body that 3 db is half power. It might not seem like much but put it in that perspective.
 

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So at 170 Meg your looking at roughly 3/4 db improvement over LMR with 1/2 inch. I'd gather some prices if you have not already for 1/2 inch, gather the PIM specs for each, and tell the decision making body that 3 db is half power. It might not seem like much but put it in that perspective.

Another approach may be needed since those that have technical knowledge (or at least know to ask those that do) agree that LMR-400 isn't the way to go, but the bean counters understand that it's less expensive so that's important to them. Let them know that using inexpensive (and lossy) coax will require a more powerful (and thereby more expensive) repeater to do the same job as the lower powered one using the cheap coax. Also let them know that using LMR-400 (with the associated distortion) would require separate transmit and receive antenna systems so to use it you'll require double the cost for the antenna, coax, and installation (perhaps even stronger towers to hold the additional antennas, and perhaps even taller towers to allow sufficient vertical separation for the transmit and receive antennas).

Technical talk to bean counters will generally not give them the necessary information to make a correct decision. Talk to them in dollar terms, something that they can understand. e.g. It'll be $5,000 to do the job right using the correct tools and parts. If we go cheap here, well save $200, but it'll cost us an extra $1700 to correct for the issues that lower cost part will generate. New total would be $6,500.
 

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Not sure what the last few comments had to do with LMR400 but as you can see, they're gone.
 
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