LMRN Technical Data Discussion

[exkalibur]

P25, BEE00.AD9, 696, 100500, 50, Normal, 197, 2025/10/23 18:53, "", "BEL-CRK-OP102", 453041B6

Bell Mobility Radio is located at their Creekbank facility, so that's more than likely what the CRK means.

 

[mmisk]

Sunday afternoon Oct 26 2025 LMRN reception from Ottawa:

1.57 NAC:AD9 DRUMMOND 142.350 142.635CC
1.60 NAC:ADC Long Sault SDG 141.550 142.260 NL:1.62 1.64 1.65 1.66 1.69 1.74
1.61 NAC:AD2 Kinburn Ottawa 142.215cc 142.725 NL:1.52 1.57 1.74 1.82 1.93
1.62 NAC:AD9 Prescott Leeds/Grenville 142.500c 142.800c 142.500
1.64 NAC:AD1 Winchester 141.390c 142.320 NL:1.6 1.62 1.65 1.66 1.69 1.74
1.65 NAC:AD1 Vankleek Hill Prescott/Russell/United 142.125c
1.66 NAC:AD2 Pendleton Prescott/Russell/United 142.365c 142.710
weak Sun Oct 26, 1.69 NAC:AD5 Lancaster SDG 143.325c 142.290 NL:1.60 1.64 1.65 1.66
1.74 NAC:ADC OTTAWA 142.095c 142.515 142.335 142.830 NL:1.52 1.57 1.61 1.64 1.66 1.93

Geoffrey Chaucer had this to say about encryption:
"all bad things must come to a start"

 

[exkalibur]

I wonder if the MTO will start using LMRN in "Zone 2" soon - it seems like it's getting built out pretty nicely.

 

[mciupa]

If you look at the screenshot, you will see talkgroup 20843 in the Mississauga CACC range having a lot of EVP units on group call. If I had to guess, I bet EVP has something to do with Emergency Preparedness.

 

[mikewazowski]

If you look at the screenshot, you will see talkgroup 20843 in the Mississauga CACC range having a lot of EVP units on group call. If I had to guess, I bet EVP has something to do with Emergency Preparedness.

or Event Portable.

 

[mciupa]

Maybe 20843 is MIS EV 8. Looking at the gap between 20836 to 20844.

 

[mbstone99]

Anyone know what type of unit this would be?
RID 753223 Alias is HL ITS0 SP01 this was on TG 20822.

Matt

 

[VA3ADP]

I was doing some more logging off of Toronto and stumbled across this;

P25, BEE00.AD9, 20650, 755467, 50, Normal, 1, 2025/10/24 13:19, "", "5226 PS", 0542BD8A
I am assuming this one is Parry Sound?

 

[mikewazowski]

Yes, that RID would make sense for a Parry Sound unit.

 

[gary123]

I have 753223 as 3198 HL D (Driver portable EMS unit 3198 Halton Region). The talkgroup 20822 is assigned to South Halton Region EMS

The alias also matches my capture from about 3 months ago.

 

[mbstone99]

I have been start to see a few hits on TG's 11016 & 11017 and for both they are using KID 0022.

11016 - RID 502813, 502816, 502817 & 704251
11017 - RID 705982 & 706891

Matt

 

[gary123]

KID 0022 tells us its a patched TG. hopefully you can catch the patched TG. This is usually captured when you log on to the site.

 

[mbstone99]

KID 0022 tells us its a patched TG. hopefully you can catch the patched TG. This is usually captured when you log on to the site.

So I looked in my event log and found this..
2025/10/28 10:11:25 Freq=142.350000 NAC=AD7 Patch Supergroup: TG=19079 [OPP South Georgian Bay]
2025/10/28 10:11:25 Freq=142.350000 NAC=AD7 Patch Subgroup: TG=11016

There was a bunch of these as well over the day between South Georgian OPP and this TG and as for 11017, I saw that one patched to 11016.

Matt

 

[mikewazowski]

11016 is typically patched with OPP South Georgian Bay. I thought it might be a CNCC group but looks like it's MOE judging by the alias that was seen.

 

[IdleMonitor]

Talkgroup 19050 With UID 701747 seen off of Mt. St. Patrick Tower.

Anyone have any insight as to what this one might be?

 

[kybervon]

TG 848 Encrypted has been chatty this morning on Demorestville. I suspect that would be a Bell Tech TG given the range.

 

[gary123]

If you can grab the KID this will help us ID the user or at least the general user type. This TG should have a KID of 0100

 

[mikewazowski]

Anyone have any insight as to what this one might be?

OPP something. I've seen it enough in Central Ontario so it's most likely not a dispatch group.

 

[VA3ADP]

I've been reviewing my logs from over the past several weeks;

P25, BEE00.AD9, 1001, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/14 12:12, "" <- Bell Techs Perhaps?

P25, BEE00.AD9, 2222, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 17:55, ""

P25, BEE00.AD9, 3094, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:17, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 5327, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 15:59, "" <- Appears to be in the MNR Range

MOF Related;

P25, BEE00.AD9, 14002, 50, Normal, 43, 2025/10/23 13:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14431, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 19:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14591, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:31, ""

P25, BEE00.AD9, 3094, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:17, "" <- Corrections Related?

I have no idea what these are Maybe supergroups or false decodes?

P25, BEE00.AD9, 47132, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 12:33, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 47193, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 15:40, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48864, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 18:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48868, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 20:26, ""

 

[gary123]

P25, BEE00.AD9, 1001, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/14 12:12, "" <- Bell Techs

P25, BEE00.AD9, 2222, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 17:55, "" <- New TG grouping not seen before

P25, BEE00.AD9, 3094, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:17, "" <- Ministry of Corrections
P25, BEE00.AD9, 5327, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 15:59, "" <- TG range known but user unknown.

P25, BEE00.AD9, 14002, 50, Normal, 43, 2025/10/23 13:23, "MOF Edgar Tower"
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14431, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 19:00, "New TG grouping not seen before"
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14591, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:31, "New TG grouping not seen before"

P25, BEE00.AD9, 3094, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 11:17, "" <- Corrections Related?

I have no idea what these are Maybe supergroups or false decodes? TG in this area are often seen with a single in the TG 2xxxxx range

P25, BEE00.AD9, 47132, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 12:33, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 47193, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 15:40, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48864, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/16 18:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48868, 50, Normal, 0, 2025/11/09 20:26, ""

Since the system is almost totally ENC the best we can do is to track the KIDs and use that to verify the general user. The updated information above was made using this process.