Looking for help programming 1065 for MPSCS

[HG121177]

I previously programmed my Whistler 1065 with Win500 and it has been great. But with it switching over to the MPSCS system I have been struggling for months. I am guessing it is something easy to fix but I just cannot figure it out. On the RR site I can listen to a specific channel I want. But when I go into Win500 and RR that specific channel doesn't show up. But the MPSCS system does. I have selected from there but none of it plays on the scanner. I did have some trunking channels going but not what I want and it still isn't right. I also tried ARC500 with the same results. Wondering if someone can look at my settings please. Thanks!

 

[krokus]

I can't look at that file, but which TGs are you wanting to monitor? Which site are you listening to? Which city are you in/near?

 

[Enjoi19]

It's worth noting you may be dealing with simulcast distortion on the Ingham County site (which appears to be the one you are using), if you are not getting a decode on the site.

 

[Ronaldski]

Need to use "Ingham County Simulcast" frequencies, then go to in talkgroups, Ingham County, Capitol Region Common/Interop, plus there is MSU as well. Take note of those that I have listed with a DE under MODE as they are encrypted.

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=100

Probably that radio wouldn't work well at best anyways if you get it going.
Here’s a forum post that bears out what I say about the Whistler brands. In the second post – (By me BTW) there is a video of someone in Saginaw that has a 4 tower simulcast, while Ingham has 10 I see in the above link. He had the latest, greatest and highest cost whistler and how it essentially does not work! His solution is a G4 fire pager, same one that is used for the city-county fire personnel that cost $700, but the video was made prior to the Uniden SDS line release.
WS1040/WS1065 vs Simulcast 800
Those whistlers do lousy at best in simulcast counties due to too much signal and from signals coming from multiple directions.
Some report ok reception if they are ~1.5 miles or less away from a tower.

The Uniden digitals 996P2, 325P2, 436HP, Home Patrol2, 536HP work better in situations like yours, the best ones though and are designed to work in simulcast are SDS100, SDS200

Neither can I read win500 files, many people report poor support to no serial#'s after buying and website down a lot, so thats why I dont use it, otherwise I could look at the file if it was in psredit500.

Try psredit500 that I have used for many years written by another michigander and then there is arc500
I could look at it if you use it and has a 30 day free trial PSREdit500 - Configuration Editor for the PSR-500, PSR-600, PRO-106, and PRO-197 Scanners

 

[HG121177]

I can't look at that file, but which TGs are you wanting to monitor? Which site are you listening to? Which city are you in/near?

I am in Lansing, Ingham County. There is 4 sites for Ingham County and I have been trying to add the Ingham County talkgroups.

 

[HG121177]

Need to use "Ingham County Simulcast" frequencies, then go to in talkgroups, Ingham County, Capitol Region Common/Interop, plus there is MSU as well. Take note of those that I have listed with a DE under MODE as they are encrypted.

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=100

Probably that radio wouldn't work well at best anyways if you get it going.
Here’s a forum post that bears out what I say about the Whistler brands. In the second post – (By me BTW) there is a video of someone in Saginaw that has a 4 tower simulcast, while Ingham has 10 I see in the above link. He had the latest, greatest and highest cost whistler and how it essentially does not work! His solution is a G4 fire pager, same one that is used for the city-county fire personnel that cost $700, but the video was made prior to the Uniden SDS line release.
WS1040/WS1065 vs Simulcast 800
Those whistlers do lousy at best in simulcast counties due to too much signal and from signals coming from multiple directions.
Some report ok reception if they are ~1.5 miles or less away from a tower.

The Uniden digitals 996P2, 325P2, 436HP, Home Patrol2, 536HP work better in situations like yours, the best ones though and are designed to work in simulcast are SDS100, SDS200

Neither can I read win500 files, many people report poor support to no serial#'s after buying and website down a lot, so thats why I dont use it, otherwise I could look at the file if it was in psredit500.

Try psredit500 that I have used for many years written by another michigander and then there is arc500
I could look at it if you use it and has a 30 day free trial PSREdit500 - Configuration Editor for the PSR-500, PSR-600, PRO-106, and PRO-197 Scanners

Thank you. I did do those first steps above originally. Will check out that forum and maybe I will have to look into a different scanner..... Will also check out psredit500. I do have an arc500 file but I did not make any progress with that either.

 

[Ronaldski]

There is just one 'site' for your county for frequencies to put in for Ingham as I mentioned above, while there are other instances for Ingham in the database in categories - MDOT, MSU, Capitol region, MMR.
Psredit500 can read arc500 files so that would work too to look at.

While you say you didn't make progress, was it just in the programming phase or then after programming the scanner wasn't picking anything up? It might be you did it, right but the scanner as mentioned cant handle simulcast well at all and your thinking its programming and it could be simulcast.

 

[HG121177]

There is just one 'site' for your county for frequencies to put in for Ingham as I mentioned above, while there are other instances for Ingham in the database in categories - MDOT, MSU, Capitol region, MMR.
Psredit500 can read arc500 files so that would work too to look at.

While you say you didn't make progress, was it just in the programming phase or then after programming the scanner wasn't picking anything up? It might be you did it, right but the scanner as mentioned cant handle simulcast well at all and your thinking its programming and it could be simulcast.

Thanks, I will attach the ARC500 file when I get home. After programming, the scanner was picking up traffic and the T on the display lit up that some of it was trunking. But it was not the main channels I was trying to get. I just was thinking there was some easy setting change that I was not seeing. But makes sense about simulcast.

 

[tvengr]

Looking at your file, I have several suggestions. On the system, try turning on the attenuator. That can reduce overload problems and also reduce the number of towers you receive to improve control channel decoding when dealing with a simulcast site. Turn off AGC. The AGC action can increase garbled audio with poor decoding due to simulcast. You can also try varying the length and orientation of the antenna and moving the scanner around the room. You may find a sweet spot where it works much better. I have both ARC500 and Win500. Unfortunately, the software you use will not make any difference with simulcast distortion.

 

[HG121177]

There is just one 'site' for your county for frequencies to put in for Ingham as I mentioned above, while there are other instances for Ingham in the database in categories - MDOT, MSU, Capitol region, MMR.
Psredit500 can read arc500 files so that would work too to look at.

While you say you didn't make progress, was it just in the programming phase or then after programming the scanner wasn't picking anything up? It might be you did it, right but the scanner as mentioned cant handle simulcast well at all and your thinking its programming and it could be simulcast.

There is just one 'site' for your county for frequencies to put in for Ingham as I mentioned above, while there are other instances for Ingham in the database in categories - MDOT, MSU, Capitol region, MMR.
Psredit500 can read arc500 files so that would work too to look at.

While you say you didn't make progress, was it just in the programming phase or then after programming the scanner wasn't picking anything up? It might be you did it, right but the scanner as mentioned cant handle simulcast well at all and your thinking its programming and it could be simulcast.

ARC File attached. Thanks!

 

[jaspence]

Whistler scanners are older technology and your experience may vary. I live in Washtenaw county and have very good reception. Part of it is location, part antenna, and the rest good luck. My radios are GRE and RS models with the Whistler upgrade, which made a noticeable difference. My Pro 106 does an acceptable job if it is not moved around too much.

 

[HG121177]

Whistler scanners are older technology and your experience may vary. I live in Washtenaw county and have very good reception. Part of it is location, part antenna, and the rest good luck. My radios are GRE and RS models with the Whistler upgrade, which made a noticeable difference. My Pro 106 does an acceptable job if it is not moved around too much.

It worked fantastic until they switched systems!

 

[Ronaldski]

Yeah the older pro196/197 grecom 500/600 did a bit better on simulcast, but whistlers are notta on simulcast even though more-less same technology.

Your file, turned off all but scanlist 1 since that's all you have programmed. Turned off ROAM setting since your NOT trying to tune in different towers that have different frequencies.
Set your signal strength meter to the proper 1065 settings.
Deleted many talkgroups in your scanlist 1 that are encrypted.
Made scanlist 2 for Ingham fire.
Made scanlist 3 a duplicate of scanlist 1 but with the attenuator.
Made scanlist 4 a duplicate of scanlist 2 but with the attenuator.

To turn those on or off just push 1,2,3 or 4 buttons​

Set all 4 scanlists text properly from the default scanlist names in both locations.
Turned off the AGC
I adjusted a few settings under Expert Settings for better digital decode.

Some of those are just semantics, the decode, AGC and attenuator scanlists are attempts to get it it to work.
With that said, what I have seen from people who have tried all the same when I programmed their whistlers on 4 tower simulcast systems...
has it worked? Nope, but who knows for you until you try.

You also can try this, even though its shown for a portable-

The Paper Clip Antenna

to clear up the p25 sytem in KCMO...have to take off the 800meg....and use the paper clip antenna...cut's down on the overload of the simulcast system... pro 106 pro 197

forums.radioreference.com

Here is the file made with PSREdit500:

 

[Ronaldski]

I fixed the scanlist numbers, so use this one.

 

[Ronaldski]

If my file without any luck and/or the ideas here dont work... new uniden scanner The Scanner Guys Live Wednesday June 16: Simulcast without an SDS

 

[HG121177]

I fixed the scanlist numbers, so use this one.

Thanks! I haven't figured out how to load a file into a program but I am trying!

 

[Ronaldski]

Just download that file, extract it, right click copy the file and then at the desktop right click save at the desktop. In PSRedit go to FILE and OPEN and then navigate to the desktop for the file, highlight it and click OPEN.
Then in psredit click RADIO and then "Upload to scanner"

 

[HG121177]

Just download that file, extract it, right click copy the file and then at the desktop right click save at the desktop. In PSRedit go to FILE and OPEN and then navigate to the desktop for the file, highlight it and click OPEN.
Then in psredit click RADIO and then "Upload to scanner"

Ahhhh, ok. I was trying to put it into ARC500. I downloaded PSRedit and that worked for opening it. But when I go to radio and try and upload I get a unable to open COM1 port does not exist. Everything is plugged in as it should be.

 

[HG121177]

Just download that file, extract it, right click copy the file and then at the desktop right click save at the desktop. In PSRedit go to FILE and OPEN and then navigate to the desktop for the file, highlight it and click OPEN.
Then in psredit click RADIO and then "Upload to scanner"

I figured out to change it to COM3

 

[HG121177]

If my file without any luck and/or the ideas here dont work... new uniden scanner The Scanner Guys Live Wednesday June 16: Simulcast without an SDS

I think a new scanner is in my future. That file did not work. Thank you for all the help and suggestions though.