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I was working in Downtown LA at the time, swing shift. I remember driving home and watching the fire from the freeway. There were several vehicles pulled over and parked on the 6th st. bridge. I pulled over and parked to join them. I remember the upper part of the building above the fire wasn’t visible, just an upward column of smoke. Windows were exploding and dropping glass downward. There is very little video online about this event, except this LAFD video. I live in Arizona now. LAFD did a great job. The building was Grandfathered in after the sprinkler requirement for such structures.
 

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https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-022.pdf - report on Interstate Bank Fire - approx 40 pages

picture of UHF ht and picture of car with 3 low band antennas


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from 1964 Police Call

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33.70 B&M (F1) ((Los Angeles)) KMA706 "Westlake" ((Harbor)) KMA705 "San Pedro"

33.82 (F2) Command Channel

33.90 (F3) ((Western and Valley Area)) K?Q236 "Coldwater"

33.94 (F4) ((Harbor)) KMA705 "San Pedro"
 

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33.90 Seems like the most common freq of FD freqs. I can't imagine the skip back in the day had to be coast to coast
 

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Here's a page scan (page 24) from the 1982 POLICE CALL. LAFD is at the bottom. Above it is part of LAPD. I have some older issues, but they're not easily accessible right now.

This is post "Westlake" and "Coldwater", but has the new 500 MHz frequencies, but no Digicom. Dispatch was called "OCD".
 

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OCD was what they called “dispatch” after they moved it from “Westlake” Signal in MacArthur Park to downtown in the sub basement of City Hall East. Westlake was the original name for MacArthur Park and the “Signal” came from all fire call boxes that terminated in the building. When they moved Westlake to downtown, all the callboxes in the central area of the city were shut off. OCD handled all of the city except the valley by this time.
 

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OCD stands for "Operations Control Division" in case anyone is interested. I got a view of OCD on a fire service day. I seem to remember there was a viewing area above it with a large glass window in between. We were not allowed to go down to the basement floor. I also visited the LAPD dispatch center when it looked exactly like what was shown in the beginning of the show "Adam 12." I was in there prior to the show.
 

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Another thing I remember is the police phones scattered about the city. There were a ton of them. If my terrible memory is working I think they were called "Gamewells" or something similar. When I first heard the term I was as confused about them as most of the other things I was hearing, even though the LAPD has never used the 10 codes. You had to go to a large library to find a copy of the penal code so you could figure out a 211 and a 459, until one day you discovered "Police Call." I'm told that "Gamewell" was a brand name. They were in a large silver box mounted to street light poles or just mounted on pedestals on sidewalks. There weren't any or there were very few in residential areas. I don't remember any fire alarm boxes on the streets, either I was too young to remember or they were gone by the late 1950's. Maybe large commercial areas had them or downtown still had them, I just don't remember. I do remember that candy bars were a nickel and on Saturdays, at Sav-on Drug Stores they were 3 candy bars for a dime, but just on that day only.

When embossed label makers first came out my dad made a blue one for the PD number, red for the FD and green for the ambulance. I think McCormick provided the ambulances, which were actually hearses painted green.

Without handhelds I remember the PD cars turned their radios up pretty loud, at least at accident scenes and similar. They didn't always have them turned up real loud in residential areas. I can't imagine going inside a house and getting into a tangle with someone unexpectedly with the radio outside in the car.
 

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Another thing I remember is the police phones scattered about the city.
I grew up in Los Angeles in the 1950's and early '60's not far from Dodger Stadium. I remember the Gamewall boxes on phone poles at strategic locations. There was both a PD and FD box down on the corner about a block from where I lived. I also remember (1970's) hearing LAPD radio dispatchers still occasionally telling units to "call Gamewell ####". Apparently a lot of the old timers didn't like to use the radio and at that time LAPD had only two tac channels for the entire city.
 

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I dug up a little more info - it seems to match the 1947 Fire Engineering Magazine article pretty well - 3 base stations on 35.58 FM


CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCJBFD1/1/1947 ?638 South Beacon in San Pedro - ? fixed base transmitter location ?1 mobile + 1 base - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCVGFD1/1/1947 ?14415 Sylvan - ? fixed base transmitter location ?1 base + 1 mobile - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD - mobiles35.580000MFMKCJEFD1/1/1947 ?117 mobiles - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCJDFD1/1/1947 ?2228 West 6th St - ? fixed base transmitter location ?July 1947 FM and Television Magazine
 

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There was an old fire station on Beacon street in San Pedro in the 40s and at least through the early 50s and it probably had a fixed transmitter. There was also a hard wired fire bell in a local restaurant/bar in San Pedro that ran back to the fire station as many firemen would hang out in the bar called Shanghai Red.

I dug up a little more info - it seems to match the 1947 Fire Engineering Magazine article pretty well - 3 base stations on 35.58 FM


CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCJBFD1/1/1947 ?638 South Beacon in San Pedro - ? fixed base transmitter location ?1 mobile + 1 base - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCVGFD1/1/1947 ?14415 Sylvan - ? fixed base transmitter location ?1 base + 1 mobile - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD - mobiles35.580000MFMKCJEFD1/1/1947 ?117 mobiles - FMJuly 1947 FM and Television Magazine
CALos AngelesLos AngelesLos Angeles - FD35.580000FMKCJDFD1/1/1947 ?2228 West 6th St - ? fixed base transmitter location ?July 1947 FM and Television Magazine
 

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Your statement about Sav-On reminded me of riding my bike to our local Thrifty's for an ice cream cone. 10 cents a scoop in my day. About the PD turning up the radio before handhelds, LASD probably held out long after anyone else on handhelds. They were able to redirect the radio receiver out of the car's PA to hear radio traffic while out of the car. Growing up in LASD territory you always knew when they were out on something hot in your neighborhood. LASD started equipping all their field units with handheld radios just as I started with them in 1989!
 

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Your statement about Sav-On reminded me of riding my bike to our local Thrifty's for an ice cream cone. 10 cents a scoop in my day. About the PD turning up the radio before handhelds, LASD probably held out long after anyone else on handhelds. They were able to redirect the radio receiver out of the car's PA to hear radio traffic while out of the car. Growing up in LASD territory you always knew when they were out on something hot in your neighborhood. LASD started equipping all their field units with handheld radios just as I started with them in 1989!

The LASD was late to switch from VHF Low and that is why they didn't have handhelds until 1989. My sister and brother in law moved to Acton in 1987. I remember listening to them on VHF Low the first year or two when I visited them. I remember a couple of my CA State Parks ranger buddies who carried VHF Low handhelds with them. One of them was about 6' 2" or 4" and the antenna hit him on the ear when the handheld was on his utility belt. They didn't have hand mics either, they had to remove the radio from their belts and speak into the front of the handheld. The radios were quite old and subject to problems. The radio techs had trouble finding parts. State Parks didn't have any options for a statewide system, but to move to 800 MHz. The antennas sure got shorter then!
 

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Back in the mid-80s, we sold personal low-band handhelds (Midland I think) to a couple of local public safety officers (with authorization, of course). Even the helical antennas were armpit-pokers, and didn't perform very well. :)
 

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Station 53 where my father worked was the very first to get an ambulance and I remember climbing through it (the actual one in the pictures). I remember talking to the two in the pictures guys a lot about the medical equipment and as a little kid I was always puzzled how they could get heartbeats and other stuff from the equipment to the radio and transmit it through the air.


My dad was a paramedic with LA City from the early 70's until 1991. I clicked on your photo stream and actually found a picture of him!!
 

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When our local PD formed a CERT organization two of the charter members, along with my wife and I, was a former LAFD firefighter and then paramedic. He graduated from the first paramedic class the LAFD presented. We also had a former New York City firefighter/paramedic on the team. They contributed a great deal to the team and the community. Both only lasted 10 years as paramedics as most EMS personnel exposed to a heavy EMS workload burn out after 10 years. In many cases it is due to "Cumulative PTSD." Both of these CERT members had it. I won't explain for brevity sake. If interested Google the term. I'm familiar with it as I was diagnosed with it in the fall of 2020.
 
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