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I’m also picking up the intermittent “buzzing” here in North Andover. I get on multiple scanners with stock antennae and in every room in the house. I’m hearing it on 161.1600, 161.5200 and on 161.2500 (Yard Channel) and 161.4000 (Yard Channel).
 

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Daily or with VHF Band Opennings ?
Asking because Maine was given some RailRoad channels for the statewide P25 TRS
and even this AM, the signals from Northern New England are AWESOME
I’m also picking up the intermittent “buzzing” here in North Andover. I get on multiple scanners with stock antennae and in every room in the house. I’m hearing it on 161.1600, 161.5200 and on 161.2500 (Yard Channel) and 161.4000 (Yard Channel).
 

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The last time I checked with the engineer for the state of Maine P25 system, those channels were not in their system. According to the list I got from the state of Maine MSCOMNET engineer the only frequencies I can see on their system are a couple of Springfield terminal frequencies that are basically used inside Pan Am maintenance facilities. The state of Maine system does have a couple of our (MBTA Commuter rail) frequencies in their system and they frequently come blasting into our radio sites. They also have a couple of P&W channels in their system too. As to the buzzing up on 161.160,161.520 those are the Pan Am dispatch channels and those sites are in New Hampshire and Maine, so the MSCOMNET system wouldn't be there. The other channels are strictly used in yards, 161.400 is used in Ayer and 161.250 (MEC yard) is used up in Lawrence area. I was up in the area last week having the meeting with the Chief Engineer of Communications and Signal at Pan Am about projects that we're working on.
 
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Any chance of an audio clip ? Thinking Cable TV interference ...??
Just based on my issues, today with all the Rain - all over the VHF band
I’m also picking up the intermittent “buzzing” here in North Andover. I get on multiple scanners with stock antennae and in every room in the house. I’m hearing it on 161.1600, 161.5200 and on 161.2500 (Yard Channel) and 161.4000 (Yard Channel).
 

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I am the other end of the state from most of you but in Westfield on a TRX-2 with outside antenna I am also picking up a buzzing on the CSX and Pam Am channels. Haven't heard it on NECR or PV channels. It is mostly at the end of a transmission but some times while a transmission is on. Also picking it up in the truck on a Kenwood NX-700. On what sounds like Mass Central with a repeater, the noise sounds like it is briefly hanging up the repeater. Be interesting to figure out what it is.
 

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Unaware of a Repeater for Mass Central RR, what Freq ??
I am the other end of the state from most of you but in Westfield on a TRX-2 with outside antenna I am also picking up a buzzing on the CSX and Pam Am channels. Haven't heard it on NECR or PV channels. It is mostly at the end of a transmission but some times while a transmission is on. Also picking it up in the truck on a Kenwood NX-700. On what sounds like Mass Central with a repeater, the noise sounds like it is briefly hanging up the repeater. Be interesting to figure out what it is.
 

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Unaware of a Repeater for Mass Central RR, what Freq ??
It is on 160.575 . FCC lists it as FB2. I changed groups in the truck a few weeks back to listen to CSX tie gang working behind the house and the group that has the mow channel has the Mass Central channels in it. I was surprised to hear them on a repeater. I am hearing the buzz on that channel daily with CSX and Pan Am regularly but not all the time.
 

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Good catch on this now being a Repeater

hopefully someone will post audio of this buzz to help track down what is occuring
It is on 160.575 . FCC lists it as FB2. I changed groups in the truck a few weeks back to listen to CSX tie gang working behind the house and the group that has the mow channel has the Mass Central channels in it. I was surprised to hear them on a repeater. I am hearing the buzz on that channel daily with CSX and Pan Am regularly but not all the time.
 

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Hey all - I'm a newbie to scanning.. had a few "newb" questions, so apologies in advace. I have read all of the info on this very helpful thread and on the rest of this site, as well as looking at youtubers and things like that.

I'm mostly interested in monitoring freight, with some interest in MBCR and Amtrak. I'm in the Waltham MA area.

It seems to me most of mass area is still analog for CSX and locals. There is some question marks about NS, but it seems that isnt here yet. Am I correct on that assumption? Seeing NS and others moving to digital has me worried im going to miss out.

Amtrak and Commuter rail.. are those digital?

Lastly, questions about reception. I'm getting a Smiley 5/8 Slim Duck 160 MHZ for my analog Uniden scanner. How far do you think i'll be able to get? Also looking into a j-pole or one of those "traintenna" indoor/outdoor poles. Wondering if anyone in eastern mass has any luck with those.

Thanks for putting up with the dumb questions and excited to contribute to the forum as I learn!
 

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Welcome to the world of scanner listening. Nobody in Massachusetts is running digital for any road channels, but the commuter rail does have a couple of digital channels in use for non road use, mostly BET facilities and the communications department. Since you're listening in the Waltham area only road channel in use on the Fitchburg Mainline is AAR 032 (160.590 MHz) CSQ which is dispatched by Fitchburg line dispatcher Monday-Friday 7am-10pm and then by Boston West all other times . The AAR 032 is only used up to the willows then the line becomes Pan Am. Norfolk Southern only runs out to Ayer in conjunction with Pan Am as part of Pan Am Southern. The channels they use out on all Pan Am territory AAR 094/070 Pan Am Dispatch and AAR 070/094 which is Pan Am Head End channel.

The listening range of your antenna is dependent on many factors, such as environmental, type and length of cabling. Reasonably you should be able to hear a couple of the Pan Am radio sites ( Paxton, Goffstown, and Billerica). As for commuter rail radio sites, you should be able to hear Waltham 032, Woburn 032, South Acton 032, Mystic 014, Terminal 087, CP-11 020, Boston 020, Hill 092 and Readville 054 from Waltham. I'm basing this on our own internal coverage testing we did of the system a couple of years ago. As for trains you should be able to hear those fairly well, the MOW crews and conductors not so much because they are usually on portables inside and around equipement which generally kills their signals beyond the immediate area.
 

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Welcome to the world of scanner listening. Nobody in Massachusetts is running digital for any road channels, but the commuter rail does have a couple of digital channels in use for non road use, mostly BET facilities and the communications department. Since you're listening in the Waltham area only road channel in use on the Fitchburg Mainline is AAR 032 (160.590 MHz) CSQ which is dispatched by Fitchburg line dispatcher Monday-Friday 7am-10pm and then by Boston West all other times . The AAR 032 is only used up to the willows then the line becomes Pan Am. Norfolk Southern only runs out to Ayer in conjunction with Pan Am as part of Pan Am Southern. The channels they use out on all Pan Am territory AAR 094/070 Pan Am Dispatch and AAR 070/094 which is Pan Am Head End channel.

The listening range of your antenna is dependent on many factors, such as environmental, type and length of cabling. Reasonably you should be able to hear a couple of the Pan Am radio sites ( Paxton, Goffstown, and Billerica). As for commuter rail radio sites, you should be able to hear Waltham 032, Woburn 032, South Acton 032, Mystic 014, Terminal 087, CP-11 020, Boston 020, Hill 092 and Readville 054 from Waltham. I'm basing this on our own internal coverage testing we did of the system a couple of years ago. As for trains you should be able to hear those fairly well, the MOW crews and conductors not so much because they are usually on portables inside and around equipement which generally kills their signals beyond the immediate area.

I Live in Waltham, and would like to Add that the Worcester Main line can be heard as well 160.4100. You will also notice that the Fitchburg line shares the frequency with I believe the Lowell line, so you have to take note when listening.

I seem to be able to hear many of the other lines as well, some to a greater or lessor degree depending on my setup, yours will differ, but as mentioned above, you will mostly only hear the dispatcher except when the trains are in town or just plain close enough. That goes for maintenance crews as well.

As far as antenna, you can make your own!

A simple dipole set up vertically will work very well. All you need is some wire. What I did, was take a piece of Romex electric cable (you know the stuff, it's in the walls connected to your wall outlets). get a piece, (you can find scraps at construction site.) Strip off the sheathing to get at the solid copper wires.

Old-timers trick to straighten out solid copper wire:

Place one end in a vise, the other end in the chuck of your cordless drill. While pulling on the wire, pulse the drill (direction doesn't matter), you will be absolutely amazed at the results; how straight it comes out!

Now get yourself a piece of coax with a connector on one end (the type used on your radio) and now your ready to make a dipole antenna.

I like to listen to the Worcester main line on 160.4100 so the math goes like this:

468 divided by the frequency you want which gives you the half wave antenna length, cut your antenna wire to this length.

Now divide by two and cut it in half.

solder one half to the center conductor an the other half to the sheathing. (I attached mine to a piece of thin wood strapping to hold it all in place. it should resemble the letter "T".

Hang it up whatever way you can on the wall or whatever, but orient the antenna vertically and coax horizontally.

Example 468 / 160.4100 = 2.917 feet.

2.917 X 12= 35.010"
35.010 / 2 = 17.505" or 17.6 inches.

There you go, just insert the Frequency you most want to hear or maybe something in the middle of two frequencies you like to listen to.

The antenna will pick up best for the frequency you cut it for, but will work pretty good for the rest of the Railroad Spectrum

Hope this helps!
 
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Thank you both for the information and the welcome. We'll see how adventerous I get with the antenna making, but thats alot of great info. I'll be sure to report back on what I'm hearing!
 

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The last time I checked with the engineer for the state of Maine P25 system, those channels were not in their system. According to the list I got from the state of Maine MSCOMNET engineer the only frequencies I can see on their system are a couple of Springfield terminal frequencies that are basically used inside Pan Am maintenance facilities. The state of Maine system does have a couple of our (MBTA Commuter rail) frequencies in their system and they frequently come blasting into our radio sites. They also have a couple of P&W channels in their system too. As to the buzzing up on 161.160,161.520 those are the Pan Am dispatch channels and those sites are in New Hampshire and Maine, so the MSCOMNET system wouldn't be there. The other channels are strictly used in yards, 161.400 is used in Ayer and 161.250 (MEC yard) is used up in Lawrence area. I was up in the area last week having the meeting with the Chief Engineer of Communications and Signal at Pan Am about projects that we're working on.
I'm Finding 160.5600 to be quite active and strong the last few days Here In New Bedford... Is this the Engineering group working on the New MBTA track in SE MA or are these contractor doing the work ?

Pete N1EXA
 

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So with my BC125AT and my Smiley 5/8in slim duck 160mhz antenna, i'm not getting a heck of alot. I knew being in a car would give me nada (confirmed) but its almost as bad in the house. I have managed to walk around the neighborhood and pick up some Commuter rail chatter (very short, probably passing trains) and same with Amtrak. I did hear some chatter on some AAR channels 69 and 62 (i could be mistaken) which im not sure what that is. On the plus side, lots of local PD/FD's still use analog so i'm getting more than i thought! Just not alot of railroad..
Obviously I'm not surprised, but was hopeful for more from home. On my railfan trips I suspect this will work great, can't wait to get out there for that.
For home.. any reccomendations for an antenna? I have seen the make at home stuff, but also heard good stuff about the Traintenna indoor (and outdoor) antennas.
Oh and lastly.. this is probably a stupid question, but does EOT devices exist on anything other than freight?
 

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Railroad EOT devices only are used on freight trains. Passenger trains have a different braking system and procedures for train handling.
 

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Railroad EOT devices only are used on freight trains. Passenger trains have a different braking system and procedures for train handling.

The Amtrak Auto Train and several other North American regional operations being an exception to that.
 

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So with my BC125AT and my Smiley 5/8in slim duck 160mhz antenna, i'm not getting a heck of alot. I knew being in a car would give me nada (confirmed) but its almost as bad in the house. I have managed to walk around the neighborhood and pick up some Commuter rail chatter (very short, probably passing trains) and same with Amtrak. I did hear some chatter on some AAR channels 69 and 62 (i could be mistaken) which im not sure what that is. On the plus side, lots of local PD/FD's still use analog so i'm getting more than i thought! Just not alot of railroad..
Obviously I'm not surprised, but was hopeful for more from home. On my railfan trips I suspect this will work great, can't wait to get out there for that.
For home.. any reccomendations for an antenna? I have seen the make at home stuff, but also heard good stuff about the Traintenna indoor (and outdoor) antennas.
Oh and lastly.. this is probably a stupid question, but does EOT devices exist on anything other than freight?


I wouldn't spend money on "indoor" antennas unless it is your absolute only option. Getting an antenna outside as high up as practical is going to give you more of an increase of reception than anything else you can buy or do.

Same thing with your car, consider having an NMO mount installed and put an antenna up on the roof if you really want to hear anything.

My main interest in monitoring is Railroad stuff, but I also listen to my local PD, FD, EMS ect. Railroad stuff, especially the crews are usually much harder to receive than anything else, at least in my area, so you need all the help you can get with your receive equipment.
 

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So today i had my first railfanning trip with my BC1255AT and the slim duck antenna. I had some good luck, and was able to hear an EOT chirp while in Westford. I was able to follow a PanAm GM down to Shirley. I was on my motorcycle so I could hear some chatter, but not alot. I had the scanner in my pocket, so either being so close to my body or the bike's interference might have messed with the signal. Still i did hear the EOT chirp when i was close. The scanner worked great when i pulled over and put it on the ground. On my way home in Northborough, i was able to hear Worcester CSX yard chatter. I'll have to get out that way next.
One weird thing I didnt expect.. the EOT wasnt as "chatty" as I expected. I followed that PAR train for a while and only heard the EOT a few times. Does it only send out from time to time? I assumed it was a constant blast of chirps.

Anyway, thanks for the antenna advice. I considered an indoor antenna since my roof isn't the easiest to get on. But i might find someone local to hire to help me to get a proper antenna on the roof. I'm hoping from Waltham area I can hear some framingham yard chatter.





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So today i had my first railfanning trip with my BC1255AT and the slim duck antenna. I had some good luck, and was able to hear an EOT chirp while in Westford. I was able to follow a PanAm GM down to Shirley. I was on my motorcycle so I could hear some chatter, but not alot. I had the scanner in my pocket, so either being so close to my body or the bike's interference might have messed with the signal. Still i did hear the EOT chirp when i was close. The scanner worked great when i pulled over and put it on the ground. On my way home in Northborough, i was able to hear Worcester CSX yard chatter. I'll have to get out that way next.
One weird thing I didnt expect.. the EOT wasnt as "chatty" as I expected. I followed that PAR train for a while and only heard the EOT a few times. Does it only send out from time to time? I assumed it was a constant blast of chirps.

Anyway, thanks for the antenna advice. I considered an indoor antenna since my roof isn't the easiest to get on. But i might find someone local to hire to help me to get a proper antenna on the roof. I'm hoping from Waltham area I can hear some framingham yard chatter.





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I believe that the EOT 457.9375 / HOT 452.9375 Devices only transmit every 70 seconds from what I was able to find when I Googled it. I confirmed that one time when My Wife and I went to Framingham (She is the real Railfan... go figure!) I'm into the Radio aspect of things.

As far as being able to hear the Framingham Yards from Waltham, well I guess it would depend on Antenna Location (are you on a hill, or in a valley, have obstructions in the way etc.), Is your Antenna an indoor or Outdoor, and How high above ground?

I've been trying from my location near Bacon & Main St with no luck. I've made myself a few J-Pole antenna's, tuned them with an Antenna analyzer etc.... No Joy!

However, your mileage may vary!
 
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