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Nathan, as you state your name is, allow me to explain myself. Im not sure why Im doing this but it just seems to fuel your appetite to respond with unhelpful explanations. So far from what I see as you have diliegently researched my past threads 19619 was a thread looking for information about the MDE trucks. You took it upon yourself to make it something about secret radio transmissions. Thread 57701 was in deed about those top secret frequencies but the thread seemed to get no replies. You must have been off or away or something like that.
Listen Nathan I dont care who you work for or who you have ties with. You have no useful information when you reply to these type of threads. You say your not trying to be a dick or a pain so until you have the frequencies or have better information on where to find them then please stand down on your replies.
You are just a drama queen who must be of young age.
Nathan you state that you dont respond often or post here. You sure find enough time to read the threads.
 

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patrolman123 said:
Nathan, as you state your name is, allow me to explain myself. Im not sure why Im doing this but it just seems to fuel your appetite to respond with unhelpful explanations. So far from what I see as you have diliegently researched my past threads 19619 was a thread looking for information about the MDE trucks. You took it upon yourself to make it something about secret radio transmissions. Thread 57701 was in deed about those top secret frequencies but the thread seemed to get no replies. You must have been off or away or something like that.
Listen Nathan I dont care who you work for or who you have ties with. You have no useful information when you reply to these type of threads. You say your not trying to be a dick or a pain so until you have the frequencies or have better information on where to find them then please stand down on your replies.
You are just a drama queen who must be of young age.
Nathan you state that you dont respond often or post here. You sure find enough time to read the threads.

I sense a thread lock coming.
 

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I think the lock is coming

Wow, 308 keeps on going just like the energizer bunny. I just got your private message. A copy of it is right here.
It seems that you know a little bit about me. Where you talking to someone else????? This is just getting better and better!!!!! Anyway....
I just won a bet with the guys at the station. I bet them that you would eventually respond and you prooved me right. They said no way. I said just watch.
I just thank the man above that you will not respond to any more of my post. Since you dont like responding to threads on radioreference. As you previously indicated.
All this over asking about some frequencies.
Please would whoever is the monitor of the Maryland chapter lock this one up.


308s response

You Sir are the Drama Queen. And I am not of young age. They way you wine and complain on here makes you look like a little kid. Others are tired of your actions on Radio Reference and so am I. Just because you think your Baltimore County Police Auxiliary holds something to other people does not mean anything to me, you may be able to bully other people with that hog wash but I will not stand for it. You are a nobody.

I will not respond to any other of your posts.
Nathan
 
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patrolman, you keep pointing out how 308 keeps responding. But let me remind you that you, too, continue to reply to his replies. And as the saying goes, two wrongs don't make a right. If you stop replying to him, I'm sure he'll stop replying to you. Maybe you don't see it, but all your doing by replying is instigating. From my viewpoint you are just as guilty as he is, if not moreso, because you seem to have more of an attitude about things than he does.

As far as not being of young age-your actions speak volumes to the contrary.
 

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Why not just get a scanner with signal stalker or close call and go to one of the fire scenes where they respond to? Seems that would solve the problem.
 

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Why not just get a scanner with signal stalker or close call and go to one of the fire scenes where they respond to? Seems that would solve the problem.

Excellent idea, and it would indeed solve this whole problem. :)
 

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I know I havent' been around as long as other members on here, but I think people are getting too mad about this issue. We all get in arguments on here from time to time, but we all have an interest in radio communications. Sure we have different views but why fight over a set of radio frequencies? There are hundreds of channels to hear in Maryland; I would love to hear the Frederick Police but they are encrypted....nothing I can do about it. Life goes on.

I just don't think people need to fight this much over MDE freqs.
 

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wvd1979 said:
I know I havent' been around as long as other members on here, but I think people are getting too mad about this issue. We all get in arguments on here from time to time, but we all have an interest in radio communications. Sure we have different views but why fight over a set of radio frequencies? There are hundreds of channels to hear in Maryland; I would love to hear the Frederick Police but they are encrypted....nothing I can do about it. Life goes on.

I just don't think people need to fight this much over MDE freqs.

I think its just that scanning is something we all here love to do, and we're just very passionate about it. :)
 

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Ok, since this seems to be a big topic to some. How about I set the record straight once and for all. Nate hit the nail (for the most part) on the head, as I am sure that this will not sit well with the patrolman.

We here at MDE have several radios in our consoles. I will attempt to attach a photo to this post of one. The following is a list of what is there.

Each vehicle is equipped with this at a minimum:

1 Scanner
1 Citizens Band Radio
1 Low Band (30mhz. – 50mhz.)
1 High Band (150mhz range)
1 UHF (450mhz range)
1 Pack Rat onboard repeater system
2 8ooMhz portables (Digital and analog capable)
Field Portable Level A Suit communications system
Satellite phones
Cellular phones
Now that you know what we have lets talk about each one and there reason for being there.

Scanner: With us going to many facilities this gives us the ability to listen to what is going on in the facility during and incident. We do not use these to sit outside and listen to day-to-day operation. Sure wish we had that kind of time on our hands.

Citizens Band: This should be a no brainer here folks. However, on some occasions when we are working with the trucking industry, we will use it to talk to a truck driver of a vehicle that we are escorting from place to place.

Low Band: This system was originally purchased in the early 1990’s. When a very large portion of the states fire departments were using low band as a sole source of communications. It remains in the vehicles to this day mostly giving us the ability to listen to what is going on around us. Very little talking is done on this since the advent of the 800Mhz. radios. Some, but not all of the counties that are in this are as follows: Carroll, Cecil, Kent, Queen Anne, Baltimore County, any other FD that were operating in this range in the 90’s. In addition to Maryland FD we have many out of state jurisdictions that border MD. We run incidents out of state so the ability to communicate with them is needed from time to time. Lastly in this radio are the following. MSP, DNR, SHA, MEMA and a few others that shall remain nameless. These radios are hooked into the Pac Rat system.

High Band: For the most part this radio mirrors the story of the low band radios with only a few exceptions. These, in addition to the local (Howard, Baltimore City, Anne Arundel) and out of state fire departments, are equipped with the following, Fire mutual aid 1 & 2, CSX rail, marine channels, USCG channels and NWS channels.

UHF: this is a portable unit with a converta-com and is linked to the Pac Rat system. This unit has the old Harford County fire department in it, MD Transportation Authority Police (receive only), and some public access bands that we use to communicate with clean up contractors on site. When the VRS is activated they can channel steer the low band radio.

Which of these radios has the all knowing, all seeing, all powerful and super duper secret channel I could tell you….. but then I’d have to kill you. Not even the powers of Superman or Popeye after a full can of spinach could get it outa me. In fact there is an S.O.P. here that states I would have to ingest a cyanide tablet that I must keep with me at all times in the event I slip and do divulge these frequencies to anyone. We’re not even allowed to tell you whether or not they’re encrypted. These are in fact general sight communications channels used during incidents of all magnitudes. In addition they offer us the ability for vehicle to vehicle communications during travel to and from incidents as well as specific approach instructions from first in units. THESE ARE NOT A DISPATCH CHANNEL. Communication on these radios is not an every day thing. We do not wear these radios all day every day like a fire department or police department does with their radios.

Pac Rat Repeater: This unit links the Low band to the UHF. This was done years ago when cell phones and pagers were even spottier then they are now. MDE-ERD used to monitor MSP Channel one (39.10mhz.) and DNRP channel one (39.22) at all times in the event that units were operating in an area of bad cell coverage the local barrack or NRP field station would raise the unit on this channel and transmit whatever message the office wanted us to have. Since the UHF is portable this allowed us to do this in or out of the vehicles.

800Mhz. Portables: These radios are new tools for us. All members of the MDE-ERD are issued 2 portables. One is a digital, and one is digital and analog capable. The portable that is digital use only is programmed with Baltimore City, National Public Safety Planning Advisory Committee (NPSPAC) Frequencies and Regional Interoperability Network System (RINS) Frequencies. The portable that is both digital and analog is programmed with SOME channels from the following county fire departments: Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Caroline, Dorchester, Queen Anne, Talbot, Wicomico, Calvert, Harford and Charles, as well as the NPSPAC and RINS Frequencies. We hope to in the very near future have the Baltimore City, Howard, Montgomery and Frederick counties in these as well. We have obtained written agreements with all of the above listed jurisdictions for use of these during incidents in the respective county.

Full Duplex / Half Duplex – Field Portable Repeater System. Level A Suit communications system. (Used for suit to suit comms and site Comms on search warrants and crime scenes. The entire system is intrinsically safe and rated for use in proximity to explosive ordnance -Low power and does not require license)

Satellite phones: this should be self-explanatory. Primary use is for communication during a fixed nuclear facility incident at one of the area nuclear power plants. This gives us satellite two-way communications with the facility involved in the incident and with the other agencies involved when standard systems are overwhelmed. These are not yet aboard every truck

Nextel phones we use the hell out of, with Cingular phones as back up.

I hope this clears up any and all questions about radios that we use. As was stated by someone else, we know that the frequencies are public in nature thus allowing them to be obtained. This does not mean though that we will just freely give them out. I have seen a few posts on here about this very topic in the past and figured that it was time that you folks got the real deal. No speculation just what is fact from a guy that actually drives a big blue truck.

Sorry the post was so long but there is a lot to explain. I tried to provide you with everything that I am able to.
 

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Ok, since this seems to be a big topic to some. How about I set the record straight once and for all. Nate hit the nail (for the most part) on the head, as I am sure that this will not sit well with the patrolman.

We here at MDE have several radios in our consoles. I will attempt to attach a photo to this post of one. The following is a list of what is there.

Each vehicle is equipped with this at a minimum:

1 Scanner
1 Citizens Band Radio
1 Low Band (30mhz. – 50mhz.)
1 High Band (150mhz range)
1 UHF (450mhz range)
1 Pack Rat onboard repeater system
2 8ooMhz portables (Digital and analog capable)
Field Portable Level A Suit communications system
Satellite phones
Cellular phones
Now that you know what we have lets talk about each one and there reason for being there.

Scanner: With us going to many facilities this gives us the ability to listen to what is going on in the facility during and incident. We do not use these to sit outside and listen to day-to-day operation. Sure wish we had that kind of time on our hands.

Citizens Band: This should be a no brainer here folks. However, on some occasions when we are working with the trucking industry, we will use it to talk to a truck driver of a vehicle that we are escorting from place to place.

Low Band: This system was originally purchased in the early 1990’s. When a very large portion of the states fire departments were using low band as a sole source of communications. It remains in the vehicles to this day mostly giving us the ability to listen to what is going on around us. Very little talking is done on this since the advent of the 800Mhz. radios. Some, but not all of the counties that are in this are as follows: Carroll, Cecil, Kent, Queen Anne, Baltimore County, any other FD that were operating in this range in the 90’s. In addition to Maryland FD we have many out of state jurisdictions that border MD. We run incidents out of state so the ability to communicate with them is needed from time to time. Lastly in this radio are the following. MSP, DNR, SHA, MEMA and a few others that shall remain nameless. These radios are hooked into the Pac Rat system.

High Band: For the most part this radio mirrors the story of the low band radios with only a few exceptions. These, in addition to the local (Howard, Baltimore City, Anne Arundel) and out of state fire departments, are equipped with the following, Fire mutual aid 1 & 2, CSX rail, marine channels, USCG channels and NWS channels.

UHF: this is a portable unit with a converta-com and is linked to the Pac Rat system. This unit has the old Harford County fire department in it, MD Transportation Authority Police (receive only), and some public access bands that we use to communicate with clean up contractors on site. When the VRS is activated they can channel steer the low band radio.

Which of these radios has the all knowing, all seeing, all powerful and super duper secret channel I could tell you….. but then I’d have to kill you. Not even the powers of Superman or Popeye after a full can of spinach could get it outa me. In fact there is an S.O.P. here that states I would have to ingest a cyanide tablet that I must keep with me at all times in the event I slip and do divulge these frequencies to anyone. We’re not even allowed to tell you whether or not they’re encrypted. These are in fact general sight communications channels used during incidents of all magnitudes. In addition they offer us the ability for vehicle to vehicle communications during travel to and from incidents as well as specific approach instructions from first in units. THESE ARE NOT A DISPATCH CHANNEL. Communication on these radios is not an every day thing. We do not wear these radios all day every day like a fire department or police department does with their radios.

Pac Rat Repeater: This unit links the Low band to the UHF. This was done years ago when cell phones and pagers were even spottier then they are now. MDE-ERD used to monitor MSP Channel one (39.10mhz.) and DNRP channel one (39.22) at all times in the event that units were operating in an area of bad cell coverage the local barrack or NRP field station would raise the unit on this channel and transmit whatever message the office wanted us to have. Since the UHF is portable this allowed us to do this in or out of the vehicles.

800Mhz. Portables: These radios are new tools for us. All members of the MDE-ERD are issued 2 portables. One is a digital, and one is digital and analog capable. The portable that is digital use only is programmed with Baltimore City, National Public Safety Planning Advisory Committee (NPSPAC) Frequencies and Regional Interoperability Network System (RINS) Frequencies. The portable that is both digital and analog is programmed with SOME channels from the following county fire departments: Anne Arundel, Baltimore, Carroll, Caroline, Dorchester, Queen Anne, Talbot, Wicomico, Calvert, Harford and Charles, as well as the NPSPAC and RINS Frequencies. We hope to in the very near future have the Baltimore City, Howard, Montgomery and Frederick counties in these as well. We have obtained written agreements with all of the above listed jurisdictions for use of these during incidents in the respective county.

Full Duplex / Half Duplex – Field Portable Repeater System. Level A Suit communications system. (Used for suit to suit comms and site Comms on search warrants and crime scenes. The entire system is intrinsically safe and rated for use in proximity to explosive ordnance -Low power and does not require license)

Satellite phones: this should be self-explanatory. Primary use is for communication during a fixed nuclear facility incident at one of the area nuclear power plants. This gives us satellite two-way communications with the facility involved in the incident and with the other agencies involved when standard systems are overwhelmed. These are not yet aboard every truck

Nextel phones we use the hell out of, with Cingular phones as back up.

I hope this clears up any and all questions about radios that we use. As was stated by someone else, we know that the frequencies are public in nature thus allowing them to be obtained. This does not mean though that we will just freely give them out. I have seen a few posts on here about this very topic in the past and figured that it was time that you folks got the real deal. No speculation just what is fact from a guy that actually drives a big blue truck.

Sorry the post was so long but there is a lot to explain. I tried to provide you with everything that I am able to.
 

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That is some excellent info you provided. Thanks! Unfortunately though it probably won't cut it with those that are looking for freqs. I have a feeling someone will complain about how there are none in your post.
 

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Sorry for the double, double post on the long message. Hope you guys got something out of this.

How do I insert a photo on a post. Damm I hate computers!!!!
I want to insert a pic of the console on this thread like I said I would.


See who says that chemicals cause dane bramage
 

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MDEguy said:
Sorry for the double, double post on the long message. Hope you guys got something out of this.

How do I insert a photo on a post. Damm I hate computers!!!!
I want to insert a pic of the console on this thread like I said I would.


See who says that chemicals cause dane bramage

If you want to add the picture to your message above, just hit "edit" and then the "go advanced" button. From there, click the little paperclip icon at the top of the message and that will allow you to attach the jpeg or whatever format it's in.

Alan
 

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Here are the pictures MDEguy was going to post: <keeps fingers crossed>
[MDEguy: I took the liberty of flipping the second one so you're not looking from the side.]
 

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I'm glad that they left room in the console for a cupholder ;)

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Ok so, a few things.. These trucks were built by a company in Ohio by the name of Horton. Everything about the truck was done by spec. It was done on a state bid. To ensure that we got exactly what we wanted we had to write in every single detail. The guys on this site that have FD/EMS time can understand I am sure. Even more so if they have ever been on a new vehicle commitee. The cup holder was put in that position when they built it for the reason that the factory cup holder would have left the beverage above the control panel. I was worried that if a container would sweet it would then drip on the panel (REALLY BAD THING TO HAPPEN). So we moved some things around on the console to make room for the cup holder.

Hey TinEar, sorry but it is a 2002 Ford F550 4X4 dual rear wheel w/ 7.3 Powerstroke diesel.

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MDEguy said:
Ok so, a few things.. These trucks were built by a company in Ohio by the name of Horton. Everything about the truck was done by spec. It was done on a state bid. To ensure that we got exactly what we wanted we had to write in every single detail. The guys on this site that have FD/EMS time can understand I am sure. Even more so if they have ever been on a new vehicle commitee. The cup holder was put in that position when they built it for the reason that the factory cup holder would have left the beverage above the control panel. I was worried that if a container would sweet it would then drip on the panel (REALLY BAD THING TO HAPPEN). So we moved some things around on the console to make room for the cup holder.

Hey TinEar, sorry but it is a 2002 Ford F550 4X4 dual rear wheel w/ 7.3 Powerstroke diesel.

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That seems to be lacking some lights, at least compared to some of the MDE UFO lookalikes I've seen! :)

And yes, I've always believed in specing EXACTLY what you want, WHERE you want it (right down to the exact model number and placement), so as to eliminate the "Oh, no! I didn't want that there!" syndrome.

I'm guessing that FEScO sold these units?
 
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