MI - Police scanners go silent

[JoeHathaway]

Monitoring Local Law Enforcement

Another solution to monitoring local law enforcement, and one which provides valuable service to one's community, might be to do as I have done: Become an active, trained, valuable citizen volunteer in local public safety. I have been a volunteer with our PD's Citizens On Patrol and Citizen Police Academy Alumni for years. I have issued to me the latest MA/COM-Harris transceiver, and use it on patrol, on assignments, and just to monitor radio traffic when not on an assignment. I anticipate no changes designed to lock the public out of scanning, but I feel relatively positive that we volunteers will be included if changes are made.

Joe

 

[rdale]

You are in an OpenSky county and they issued you an OpenSky radio for monitoring?

 

[ILMRadioMan]

Just a thought from an outsider:

To compromise, why not take an actual radio, tune it to channel "x", then host it here at radio reference.

Then everyone with a blackberry/iPHONE or streaming capable phone could listen online.

 

[N_Jay]

Just a thought from an outsider:

To compromise, why not take an actual radio, tune it to channel "x", then host it here at radio reference.

Then everyone with a blackberry/iPHONE or streaming capable phone could listen online.

Maybe I'm confused., but who do you want to get what type of "actual radio" and tune it to what channel "x", to stream?

 

[freqs]

You are in an OpenSky county and they issued you an OpenSky radio for monitoring?

He is not in OpenSky country ..I took a look Midland Texas and they have a EDACS standard trs with a talk group on it called Citizen's On Patrol so they are not on a dispatch talk group . I bet that the radios they get do not have all the talk groups in them .I would think they only have the 1 tg and only can talk to police dispatchers

 

[ILMRadioMan]

Maybe I'm confused., but who do you want to get what type of "actual radio" and tune it to what channel "x", to stream?

Scanners wont work on opensky.

I mean get an actual opensky radio, use its audio out / discriminator out, and stream whatever channels people feel the need to hear.

Law, fire, ems, whatever.

I am saying that perhaps this could be a compromise, much like how LAPD has their radio traffic on a live feed that they control. Municipalities could provide a radio that is actually on the system tuned to whatever channel the people need to hear and let it feed a website much like this. This would also give the govt control over the feed.

 

[pilotman1260]

There was a situation here several months back where two different agencies operating on two different systems,one was conventional,the other a local military base with P25 encryption,the local olice got into a chase of a vehicle which was headed straight for one of the gates to Military base who had no clue the chase was coming their way and the local police couldn't call them because of conflicting radio systems,in the end result there was a crash on the base and one of the civilian employees was killed.

 

[N_Jay]

Excuse me?

That sounds like 100% a failure to plan for a very obvious need and not anything to do with the systems being different.

Heck, even if they were both analog and in the same band, they would have need procedures to contact each other "cross-system".

 

[rdale]

the local police couldn't call them because of conflicting radio systems.

That's absolutely incorrect... The local police couldn't call them because the administrators of the two systems never got together to link them.

Up here - we link an EDACS ProVoice 800MHz system with an EDACS 400MHz system with an 800MHz digital P25 system with a conventional UHF (TRI-COUNTY PD) at the same time with NO difficulty, all because planners took time to set this up.

 

[Hooligan]

Royal Oak PD made the transition last Thursday or Friday, after the officers got a total of 8 hours worth of classes on how to operate the radios. Hazel Park also made the jump to the Open Sky system, but supposedly they're already back on their existing analog system.

ROPD is not happy with the intelligibility of the new system so far.

I.P. systems are certainly the way of the future ("E.O.I.P."), hopefully scanner technology will overcome technical & patent hurdles eventually.

 

[yardbird]

I think the technology is great, don't get me wrong.

I think the Federal Government needs to step in and say, "Ok that is fine if you build this new technology, but you have to build it with the fact that is can be monitored."

I also agree that it should be against the law for a felon or other individual to have a scanner if it is going to be used for illegal activity or committing a crime. But the Honest Man No!

To build technology, so the common honest scanner listener can't enjoy the freedom is stupid and the Government needs to take action.

Just like the Government wanting to take away the rights to bear arms, what's next the Government wanting to take away the rights to listen to a scanner.

Just my thoughts

David

 

[N_Jay]

I think the Federal Government needs to step in and say, "Ok that is fine if you build this new technology, but you have to build it with the fact that is can be monitored."

Why?

To build technology, so the common honest scanner listener can't enjoy the freedom is stupid and the Government needs to take action.

Why? You have no legal right to listen.

Just like the Government wanting to take away the rights to bear arms, what's next the Government wanting to take away the rights to listen to a scanner.

Where did you get the impression it is a right?

 

[mikey60]

Hazel Park also made the jump to the Open Sky system, but supposedly they're already back on their existing analog system.

News to me. I have that frequency in my scanner, and other than the occasional patched transmission from the OpenSky side, there's nothing there. I don't even think they still have the VHF radios in the cars anymore, although they may have some preps still around.

Mike

 

[idontknow82]

Why?


Why? You have no legal right to listen.


Where did you get the impression it is a right?

Here we go again, someone pretending to work for the government.

Lots of people are tired of paying for this expensive foolishness.

Maybe when your area encrypts get back to us, and maybe you will finally understand what most of us are complaining about.

 

[N_Jay]

Here we go again, someone pretending to work for the government.

I guess according to you anyone who asks a question or states a fact must work for the government. Interesting perspective.

Lots of people are tired of paying for this expensive foolishness.

Maybe so, what does that have to do with anything I wrote in my post?

Maybe when your area encrypts get back to us, and maybe you will finally understand what most of us are complaining about.

Again, completely off-topic to my post. (and most of this thread.)

 

[idontknow82]

Why?


Why? You have no legal right to listen.


Where did you get the impression it is a right?

I guess according to you anyone who asks a question or states a fact must work for the government. Interesting perspective.


Maybe so, what does that have to do with anything I wrote in my post?


Again, completely off-topic to my post. (and most of this thread.)

I am still talking about encryption. I find it interesting that you don't care that its happening at an alarming rate. There will be alot of electronic waste when these scanners become paper weights, due to encryption. How many in michigan have chucked them out?

 

[N_Jay]

I am still talking about encryption.

I know.

I find it interesting that you don't care that its happening at an alarming rate.

I did not state what I "care" about.
And whether I care or don't care does not change the facts that you like to ignore in your posts.

There will be alot of electronic waste when these scanners become paper weights, due to encryption. How many in michigan have chucked them out?

Wow, a whole new argument against encryption.(somehow I am not surprised)

 

[iMONITOR]

How many in michigan have chucked them out?

I can assure you, no one in Michigan has chucked their digital scanner. :roll:

 

[Stick0413]

I can assure you, no one in Michigan has chucked their digital scanner. :roll:

Well just in case someone is considering chunking their scanner, they should contact me first (and a whole lot of other ppl on here too). :lol:

 

[k8mcn]

glad to live in the boondocks--the closest thing to digital in my county is a wristwatch