Michigan Encryption When??

[N8DAD]

May I get a few opinions from others here when do you or we think Michigan will go encrypted? I understand they're is a few in Oakland Co. But let's say MSP or County Agency's here in Northern Michigan . MSP, DNR, whatever. How many years away.
Beat idea
Thanks

 

[smithken]

The whole state, in my opinion never especially south of say Flint or Bay City. The only encryption in my area is Livonia police, Canton police and Oakland County. I've also heard that there is some encryption over towards Grand Rapids. In my area MSP and the Wayne County Sheriff Deportment are in the clear for the most part, even Detroit is in the clear.

 

[KD8FSJ]

May I get a few opinions from others here when do you or we think Michigan will go encrypted? I understand they're is a few in Oakland Co. But let's say MSP or County Agency's here in Northern Michigan . MSP, DNR, whatever. How many years away.
Beat idea
Thanks

Rumors fly all over the place, and then get regurgitated by others who read/heard the same thing. I would certainly expect to see more encryption to some degree. How much? and when? is anyone's guess.

 

[N8DAD]

Rumors fly all over the place, and then get regurgitated by others who read/heard the same thing. I would certainly expect to see more encryption to some degree. How much? and when? is anyone's guess.

Right i gotta who knows they sure won't yet us first

 

[a29zuk]

All of Genesee County police is encrypted.
All of Lapeer County is encrypted.
Calhoun and Jackson counties have some PD encrypted.

Jim

 

[freqs]

Hamtramck Police as well Encrypted

 

[hruskacha]

Here is a survey on MPSCS encryption. Found with google dorking. In addition to this, Interoperability is very important and improper utilization or configuration of encryption can completely cut off emergency communications on scene. THIS is this biggest issue with widespread encryption.

 

[Forts]

Interesting to see someone out there is using a KFDTool over a KVL.

 

[jimmy9999]

Here is a survey on MPSCS encryption. Found with google dorking. In addition to this, Interoperability is very important and improper utilization or configuration of encryption can completely cut off emergency communications on scene. THIS is this biggest issue with widespread encryption.

I read the report but I don't understand one thing: why it says that the DES is outdated (on page 9) when the DES is better than the ADP. DES=56-bit key, ADP=40-bit key.

ICTAP Technical Assistance
September 16, 2022
The results indicate that
while there is a significant
use of P25 (AES)
encryption there still
remains the use of non-
standard (ADP) and out of
date (DES) algorithms

 

[Forts]

Technically DES is far older than ADP, but yes it is stronger. I use that term loosely though as neither are nearly as secure as AES (obviously). Both are extremely effective at blocking scanners, online feeds and hobbyists though.

 

[mmckenna]

I read the report but I don't understand one thing: why it says that the DES is outdated (on page 9) when the DES is better than the ADP. DES=56-bit key, ADP=40-bit key.

ADP was never considered acceptable by the FBI/USDOJ. While many used it, that was mostly because certain Manufacturers gave it away for free. It' worked "well enough" to keep casual eavesdroppers out.

At one point DES was considered an acceptable form of encryption by the FBI/USDOJ, however technology has moved on and DES is considered outdated and no longer secure enough to meet their requirements.

Currently (or at least last time I looked) the FBI requires at least 128 bit encryption. Strong preference to AES256 as the 'standard'.

 

[jimmy9999]

thank you i understand better now

 

[krokus]

ADP was never considered acceptable by the FBI/USDOJ. While many used it, that was mostly because certain Manufacturers gave it away for free. It' worked "well enough" to keep casual eavesdroppers out.

That was why the county I worked added ASP to a countywide TG. Specifically to keep scanner listeners from hearing things thought to be sensitive.

 

[hruskacha]

I read the report but I don't understand one thing: why it says that the DES is outdated (on page 9) when the DES is better than the ADP. DES=56-bit key, ADP=40-bit key.

When they mention DES, I think they actually mean DES-OFB, as thats what I actually see used in West Michigan