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Im searching for an antenna that will work in the 450-470 range mounted on an L bracket for my vehicle. I live in New England, plenty of hills nearby. Whats the best antenna for my situation? Antenna is for Kenwood TK805D. Id prefer whip size under 20 inches.
 

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How about something like this --> Larsen NMO4503CS 450-470 Antenna w/ Spring | TESSCO

You'll need a standard NMO mount, L bracket, and appropriate connector for your radio. Using the standard NMO mount, you'll be able to easily swap the antenna out as desired (shorter, more gain, other band coverage, etc.).
 

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+1 on the antenna mentioned above. :wink:

Excellent old kenwood you have too. I have a 805D & a 705D

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How about something like this --> Larsen NMO4503CS 450-470 Antenna w/ Spring | TESSCO

You'll need a standard NMO mount, L bracket, and appropriate connector for your radio. Using the standard NMO mount, you'll be able to easily swap the antenna out as desired (shorter, more gain, other band coverage, etc.).

Thanks for the response. I currently have the Larsen NMO TriBand antenna - do you think the antenna I currently have is just as good as the one you linked me to? I saw this on eBay and was interested because of the size! I'm not really familiar with 1/4 1/2 5/8 wave antenna types and their advantages and disadvantages though. Could you shed some light?

+1 on the antenna mentioned above. :wink:

Excellent old kenwood you have too. I have a 805D & a 705D

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n9zas

Thanks, I like this Kenwood too, I wish I could find another. I'd love to try and make a GMRS repeater.
 

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An antenna designed for a single band will always perform better than a multi-band antenna. Go with the NMO4503C.
 

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I used to have a GMRS mobile in my truck, and tried a few different antennas. The 1/4 waves always worked just fine. I bought a 5/8s wave and couldn't tell the difference in coverage. I'm in coastal California, so lower gain antennas work well with mountain/ridge top repeaters. Likely if you were out in the flat lands, you may see better results with a bit more gain. I switched back to my 1/4 wave and sold the 5/8's. All my stuff is on VHF now and I've stuck with the 1/4 waves. A few family members are using higher gain antennas, but still, I don't see any difference in range.

Antennas are relatively cheap, so it's fun to experiment.
 

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Give that 1/4 wave a try, especially if you want a short antenna and want to save $ up front. You will likely be just fine. You can even find them cheaper than that ebay link if you look around by the way. Like one of the other posters said, once you get a NMO mount set up on your L bracket, you can change out antennas now and then if you feel like you want to experiment in the future.

I deal with numerous antennas on several bands, including UHF. We use a variety, including the smaller quarter wave all the way up to the high gain stuff. I even have a UHF transit antenna on my work vehicle. They all work just fine in the variety of mountains and valleys where I work. Chances are the 1/4 wave will do just fine for you. Give it a shot. Good luck.
 

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Thanks for the response. I currently have the Larsen NMO TriBand antenna - do you think the antenna I currently have is just as good as the one you linked me to? I saw this on eBay and was interested because of the size! I'm not really familiar with 1/4 1/2 5/8 wave antenna types and their advantages and disadvantages though. Could you shed some light?



Thanks, I like this Kenwood too, I wish I could find another. I'd love to try and make a GMRS repeater.

Then check here. This site had some construction and mod info on doing that. ;)

www.repeater-builder.com

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n9zas
 
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Use the Commet CA-2X4SR. It's a duel band for 2M&440, but is made to be very wide band. I use one with my ham radio and GMRS in my vehicle. SWR is low on all radios, great gain and they talk better than any other antenna I've tried.
This way you can use it for a Variety of radios. It's made for EMCOMS so you can use different band radios and have decent SWR on all.
Your missing out if you pass up on this one. Almost 4 db on 144 and 6.2 db on 440, it talks !

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The install has been made. I bolted the L Bracket to the vehicle. Hopefully there is enough of a ground/counterpoise for this antenna? I'm not sure what it would need exactly anyways.
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I settled on the 1/4 wave, Laird 450-470Mhz antenna. The price and height are what really attracted me to this antenna.
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Take a look at the Larsen UHF NMO antennas.

Thanks. I did. I also own a Larsen NMO Triband but, it's a little too big for my liking.
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I have used many of those mounts, they work great. We had some people on 33Mhz that wanted them used for their trucks....they actually weren't too bad on the match.....but UGLY with a big base load low band antenna on them. Seen plenty torn off!

1/4 wave vhf and uhf though, works great.
 

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For what they are, they do work well. They do result in a slightly directional pattern to the antenna, and can cause some difficulty in getting a good match. If it's working for you and it's what you want, then it is perfect, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I understand the aversion to drilling a hole in the roof of a perfectly good truck. It does result in better performance, but unless you are willing to do the deed, it's a moot point.

I might be looking at it wrong, but I'm concerned slightly about the mount. The outer ring should be sitting down a bit further, more even with the mount. Those "L" brackets are not that thick to create the offset I'm seeing. I could be totally wrong, but it might be worth checking. There should only be the single O-ring under the mount, between the NMO and the L-bracket. While it may not be an issue, on some antennas the center contact won't make a good connection. If it's working correctly, then you are likely OK. What you can do is try moving the whip up and down while it's on the mount. There shouldn't be much vertical play. If you are able to push it down and pull it up with little effort, you may need to take a look at the way the NMO is mounted. Like I said, it could be just the way I'm looking at it, but on a fire engine roof we found someone installed a standard mount on the thick roof. The antenna wasn't making contact with the center of the NMO and causing all sorts of issues. The offset between the center and outer ring looked pretty much like this when I pulled the antenna off.
 

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For reference, here are two pictures of what appears to be the identical mount (Larsen NMOHF) on the roof of my 2011 F150. While the sheet metal on the roof of my truck is no doubt thinner than the L bracket material, there shouldn't be this much difference. Notice the center part of the mount is sitting higher than the outer ring.

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Looks like you did a good job, but I'd personally be concerned about the center pin of those types of antennas making proper contact and having enough pressure on the mating surfaces to prevent it separating and arcing.
 

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Doesn't need the rubber, it's not doing anything as long as it has an o-ring.
 

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The rubber disk in the pictures is there to seal the point where the antenna base meets the roof. It should not be under the NMO mount, it should sit around the outside. I may be removed to address the spacing issue, but if the right mount is installed correctly, then this should not be an issue. The single rubber O-ring, not to be confused with the flat seal around the outside, should be the only thing under the outer threaded ring of the mount.
You can eliminate the outer flat seal, but that may cause water intrusion up through the threads where the antenna base mates to the mount. Getting water under there can cause a whole mess of issues and should be avoided if at all possible. I know there are those that will fight to the death to disagree with that, but I've personally diagnosed issues where a failed RF output was directly traced to a corroded NMO mount due to missing or failed seals. When a 100 watt MCS2000 is only putting out 1.5 watts, you go looking for the cause.
 

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I agree. On a roof we always used some silicone around the outer ring where it contacts the roof, like how you would caulk a tub, but smaller scale of course. Might sound funny, but the Moto kits never came with anything by the o-ring and some silicone gel for the threads. I have seen other kits with a very flat disk, almost a sticker that went around the outside.

The bracket mount, does not need the rubber, it is making the ring too high, like you said, I agree. Your truck on the other hand looks perfect.
 

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The oring pictured does not go under the nmo mount, only around it. It can be removed or placed on without touching the gold nmo mount pieces.
 

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Right, but there is something not quite right, at least what it looks like in the picture. The outer ring should be sitting lower. But hey, if it works it works.
 
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