Monroe County and the City of Rochester Police

[RF-Burns]

Does anyone have a detailed frequency list for the Monroe County Sheriffs and the Rochester Police Department?

Both Radio Reference and Dave's website nf2g.com both have good lists but both have different information regarding the same frequencies.

Any help would be helpful.

Dan - K2DMG

 

[tuffaznalz]

Dave's is the most accurate and detailed.

 

[radiomanNJ1]

Then why doesn't someone submit the correct and more accurate list to the RR DB?

Those of us that travel up there rely on RR.

 

[DaveNF2G]

Copyright, for starters.

Sorry, but I don't spend the hours without pay collecting and presenting all of that information so some other website can sell CD-ROMs and premium access to it.

 

[VE3RADIO]

Copyright, for starters.

Sorry, but I don't spend the hours without pay collecting and presenting all of that information so some other website can sell CD-ROMs and premium access to it.

Well Said! Now with the Uniden Home Patrol.. that really rings true.

 

[SteveC0625]

I learned a long, long time ago that there are no silver platters in the scanning world. You aren't going to find all the answers in a single place. There are multiple sources for information, and each of us has to learn the best source for each block of information that we seek. (That's likely true for a lot more things than scanning frequency lists!)

One of the things that Dave brings to NF2G's New York State listings is personal interest and passion. That's hard to do with an international resource like RR because it is so vast. It's my experience that when someone brings those two qualities to the table, things always get done better.

I don't mind having two bookmarks in my browser instead of one.

 

[blantonl]

You know Dave, I've looked the other way far to many times when you make these snide remarks about our platform. I think it is time to set the record straight.

Copyright, for starters.

For starters Dave, you cannot copyright factual information - and neither can I. Frequency, talkgroup, and usage information is factual information and if it makes it into the public domain, it can be freely reposted and communicated in any medium. And for the record, even though we have a copyright at the bottom of every page on the site we don't ever have a problem with any data on RadioReference being reposted, and in fact we provide tools for folks to repost data.

So, please don't let your own arrogance cloud the fact that, well, you are factually incorrect. (Since that is a *fact*, what I just posted cannot be copyrighted)

Sorry, but I don't spend the hours without pay collecting and presenting all of that information so some other website can sell CD-ROMs and premium access to it.

Everyone spends hours for "pay" - it might be a monetary one, it might be an intellectual reward, or it might be "pay" for your ego. I'm betting on the latter. And heck, I've got a pretty nice sized ego myself. Nothing wrong with that. And lets not blow smoke up peoples asses, you run a great site with great resources, but there were most certainly lots of individuals behind that information, not just "Forensic Scannist Dave N2FG."

Finally, let me make this crystal clear. I don't participate on your platform making snide comments about how you feel like anything upstate NY related should be your domain. Frankly Dave, if you disagree so strongly with how our platform and processes run, then don't participate and save us the trouble of your arrogant and self-serving attitude.

Then why doesn't someone submit the correct and more accurate list to the RR DB?

Those of us that travel up there rely on RR

Because Dave NF2G feels that anything related to scanning in upstate NY should be presented and controlled by him and no one else. The spirit of openly and freely sharing information doesn't apply to Dave, and as such, he would rather participate on our platform and disparage us with snide comments than to participate in the spirit of what RadioReference is all about.

Hey, that's fine, and that's Dave's choice. But when RadioReference continues to round out our coverage of upstate NY, the sting to Dave's ego shouldn't lead him to make frivolous statements about "Copyright" violations.

 

[VE3RADIO]

I think the issue is people must pay a premium to access the information via the web download tool in BUTEL software, perhaps information that was submitted by that very user.. not to mention the sale of CD-ROM material and the use of the DB being implemented in to scanner products on the market. Don't get me wrong I love the website and everything it does for the scanner community and I show that with my premium subscription... but Dave does have a point. The chances of you finding a frequency and a PL for NY State down in Texas is not likley unless you were to pay people to scower the nation for data.. why should he give it away to another website? He has a site to run as well..I think Dave has a legitimate point.

 

[maxkelley]

But it's *facts*. Suppose I had a list of all Rochester and Monroe County Police frequencies, NACs, everything, put it up here on RR.
Dave could try and claim that it is the same info he has, therefore it's *his* info... But it's not. It's just facts.

 

[GTR8000]

The bottom line is this: The ENTIRE RR database and wiki is FREELY AVAILABLE to EVERYONE. Period.

You do NOT need a premium subscription to access the data or information. Please do not confuse the issue by bringing the software downloading feature into the discussion. While it does make life a hell of a lot easier programming modern scanners, it is still completely optional. You could just as easily use the RR database to manually program your scanner without paying a single dime.


While I've always been a huge fan of AND contributer to Dave's site, his attitude tends to leave a sour taste in my mouth. At times it even makes me reconsider submitting information to him at all, rather than just updating the database and wiki here on RR. But in the end, the community suffers if we don't share this information, so I submit the info to both sites simultaneously, as well as East Coast Scanning. My unwavering feeling is that the more places this data and info can be found, the better off we all are in the end. I couldn't possibly care any less than I do (zero) about Dave or Lindsay's egos or what they each get out of their sites, monetarily or emotionally, that's not my concern. My concern is making sure any good, confirmed data or info I have is shared with as many people as possible so everyone benefits from it.

 

[DaveNF2G]

I'm not going to debate copyright law again. The facts are not copyrightable, but the presentation thereof is. That is also a fact. Go look it up. Better yet, hire an attorney to explain it to you.

As for sour tastes and arrogance, I meant nothing of the sort. Lindsay makes money from RR.com. I don't for one minute believe that he should not have the opportunity to do so. BUT, I am not obligated to assist other people to make a living from work that I have done when I do not see a penny from my efforts. (Well, OK, I have seen a penny or two. Has anyone looked at the text near my Paypal donation button lately? I get a whopping $10 per year, on average, from my website.)

I don't want to get into a p***ing contest with LB or anyone else who runs a website. You do it your way and I'll do it mine. But I'm not doing free work for anybody who is going to get paid for it. That is all I meant to say, and if any of you would think about this in terms of your jobs instead of your hobbies, I think you would feel the same way in my position. What I give for free should not, IMO, be sold or rented out by somebody else if they got it from me. Rather than tie Lindsay's hands in that way, I simply do not submit my data to his database. Neither of us should have a problem with that.

Lindsay is correct, as is whoever else has pointed it out, that the hobby collectively benefits from sharing information.

Just to show that I do share and am not a selfish curmudgeon, I will post in a new thread about current developments on 800 MHz in my area.