Nassau County PD & NYPD, what a mess

[Danny37]

I wonder if people actually refuse to live in an area where public safety radio systems are encrypted. For me personally, I feel like that may be a factor if I was to ever move or purchase a house. Like I want to know what's going on, scanning is a huge hobby of mines I can't imagine not being able to monitor anything.

 

[mule1075]

I wonder if people actually refuse to live in an area where public safety radio systems are encrypted..

Highly unlikely but you never know.

 

[Darkstar350]

I could be wrong but I don't ever remember enc on the old system. Def not digital as it was an analog system.


I hate it as there is nothing to listen to except stupid bs stuff. Atleast with just the dispatch channels, you would have some kind of sense of what's going on in the county.

According to Fordyce Nassau County Public Service Frequencies (a legacy radio site that hasnt been updated in at least 10 years) NCPD had "digital capability" on channel 9 and 10 so perhaps it was very early conventional P25

Not going encrypted does aid community relations and helps a police dept be more transparent
At the end of the day 95% of what happens on the regular PD dispatch channels is just routine alarms, accidents ,etc so going out of the way to encrypt a standard precinct channel does seem a bit overkill

For what its worth I have heard things over the air that were actually NOT a public safety freq which was a lot more "sensitive" then police comms on a typical day...

Getting back to the issue - a 500mhz radio is generally in the same band as 470mhz so i would imagine Nassau could easily plug some of the NYPD citywide/interop freqs into their radios...

 

[ten13]

About 100 years ago, (actually, about 1979) when the NYPD was still on VHF, I was working down at 911. The first time I had a chase involving the 50 Pct into Yonkers, I realized how backwards that job was (and probably 'is').

The only way to get a hold of Yonkers was to pick up the phone, dial "Operator," get the 1 Police Plaza switchboard and ask them to dial the switchboard number for the YPD. But before she dialed it, she needed to know who I was, where I was working in the building, and the reason for the call. I guess they never thought that there would be a legitimate reason to dial a 914 area code...ever...in an emergency from New York City Police Headquarters.

What was just as bad, the Yonkers switchboard didn't know who to connect me to, so she connected me to the Yonkers precinct DETECTIVE SQUAD closest to the city border.

By that time, the 50 Pct cops gave up the chase, so I just hung up the phone.

The technology may have improved and advanced, by attitudes have not.

 

[radioman2001]

Having been the radio repair tech for Yonkers it wasn't much better the other way either. I will tell you I was in the dispatch center the day they caught Son of Sam, and the Yonkers PD was not happy with NYPD roaming around the city going after such a high value target without any notification. There was no communication with the dispatch center or even the detectives bureau. Attitude is everything, you don't play in my yard without notifications, and NYPD is famous for that.
As far as a mutual cooperation between Nassau and NYPD, I wouldn't count on it, as politicians very seldom get what they want from PD.
Look how long it took Stamford CT to get away from enc of everything, even with the mayor running on a platform of turning it off.

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NCPD had "digital capability" on channel 9 and 10 so perhaps it was very early conventional P25.

It was plain old DVP, and located on the Med center. They were using MX-S radios and some Sabers. I actually bought a few MX-S radios many (20+)years ago that had MDC-600 and some DVP.

As a side note with respect to Son of Sam, Sam's daughter was actually a Yonkers PD dispatcher at the time.

 

[ten13]

I will tell you I was in the dispatch center the day they caught Son of Sam, and the Yonkers PD was not happy with NYPD roaming around the city going after such a high value target without any notification. There was no communication with the dispatch center or even the detectives bureau.

Well, it's well documented that the SOS Squad called YPD dispatch and, coincidentally, got Wheat Carr on the phone (at the time, a YPD dispatcher) and asked her to send a car over to Berkowitz's apartment to ask him about the parking ticket he got in Brooklyn. Berkowitz was not a suspect at that time. When Carr told the Detectives what the story was with David, they said they were on the way up to question him themselves.

It wasn't until they got up there and saw a long-gun in the backseat of Berkowitz's yellow Ford (the car the ticket was written on) that they realized that David Berkowitz could be what they call today a "person of interest." It was at that point the SOS detectives in Yonkers contacted their command and had the YPD also respond.

Blame Wheat Carr if you want to blame anyone.

In any respect, as far as radio communications goes between Westchester and the NYPD, the 47 Pct solved that themselves: they either gave Mt. Vernon an NYPD portable radio, or they had a Mt. Vernon radio at the 47 Desk, I forget which went where. The 47 used to put over chases and perp description they got from Mt. Vernon often. Apparently, the 50 had no interest in doing the same with Yonkers.

 

[Archie]

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ten13: The 50th pct did have a YPD portable several years ago and transmitted their own Bronx to Yonkers chase on the Deegan northbound...some of YPD ESU has NYPD frequencies programmed into their portables, not sure exactly which ones..

radioman2001: Stamford PD is no longer encrypted at the mayor's request ??

 

[Danny37]

Would a interop like that go through the precinct commander or would they need authorization from 1PP? I mean honestly exchanging portables especially in cases where incidents cross over is just good policing. NYPD ESU & SOD units seems to be the only unit that has a wide range of interop from Yonkers to mount Vernon to Nassau to jersey city. They get requested a lot especially in the summer with water rescues etc.

 

[APX8000]

Or, each jurisdiction puts each other’s frequency in dispatch and a simple console patch is created during the incident. This is not rocket science.


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[radioman2001]

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Well, it's well documented that the SOS Squad called YPD dispatch etc

I don't know anything about the documentation but I can tell you I was there in the dispatch room working on the console and remember it like it was yesterday, and she did get the call AFTER. All hell broke loose in the office, people started running around, calls being made and sector cars being dispatched.

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Stamford PD is no longer encrypted at the mayor's request ??

That was what the the candidate wanted under his platform for Mayor, and I don't think he ever got his wish. FD is I believe now in clear and I cannot hear their system from my home so I have to go with whats listed here at RR.

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Or, each jurisdiction puts each other’s frequency in dispatch and a simple console patch is created during the incident. This is not rocket science.

May not be rocket science but politics prevail over common sense. I know our agency (MTA) has a Mt Vernon portable at our front desk in Mt Vernon, and there is a NYPD citywide radio in LIC.

 

[kmilcar76]

Danny37

Just a quick question is NCPD Interop frequncy is still Active now

 

[kmilcar76]

By the way is NCPD Interoperbillty is Active?

 

[Danny37]

By the way is NCPD Interoperbillty is Active?

From the times I've scanned, I've never heard activity on the interop talk groups.

 

[dave3825]

By the way is NCPD Interoperbillty is Active?

Its funny, someone named kmilcar78 asked that on another forum in 2 different threads 11 minutes apart. You will not hear anything pd related on that system. That's it, the end...

 

[kmilcar76]

quick question could I hear alot of action on ncpd on the suffolk county police trunked group like comman?

 

[Danny37]

quick question could I hear alot of action on ncpd on the suffolk county police trunked group like comman?

You will not hear anything pd related on that system. That's it, the end...

^ that's your answer, already answered.

 

[ipfd320]

Looking Back to when Nassau PD & NYC had frequencies to inter-op with
These Frequencies were From W2LIE Website--These were the UHF 400 Segments before Changing Over to the 500 System

At the Time there was 3 Frequencies Assigned to the NYPD--If i Remember Correctly--
Nassau 4th Pct was inter-op with NYPD 101 pct
Nassau 5th Pct was inter-op with NYPD 112 pct
Nassau Hi-Way Patrol was inter-op with NYPD Hi-Way

The Channel 10 was Calles the B/S Channel due to all the B/S that was Being Passed on that Freq--it was Actually a Car to Car Talk

NOTE---These Frequencies Below are NO Longer Used


Channel
Frequency ID Tag PL/DPL Mode1

ch 1--478.9125 NCPD Precincts 3 / 6 179.9 FM
ch 2--478.5625 NCPD County Wide Tac 179.9 FM
ch 3--477.3875 NCPD Precincts 2 / 8 179.9 FM
ch 4--477.2375 F-4 Details 179.9 FM
ch 5--478.5375 NCPD Precincts 1 / 7 179.9 FM
ch 6--477.2125 NCPD Precincts 4 / 5 179.9 FM
ch 7--478.7125 Detectives BSO ESB EAB 179.9 FM
ch 8--477.2625 Highway and ESU 179.9 FM
ch 9--478.9375 Surveillance Rptr 179.9 FM
ch 10--478.7375 Tactical (Tac-10) 179.9 FM
ch 11--478.9375 Surveillance Simplex 179.9 FM
ch 12--478.7375 Tactical Simplex 179.9 FM
ch 13--470.8625 NYPD Countywide 151.4 FM
ch 14--477.2875 Aviation / Marine Bureaus 179.9 FM

477.1875 Future Use 179.9 FM
478.5125 Shop Freq 179.9 FM
477.2375 NARCO-1 186.2 FM

470.8125 Highway Patrol Mutual Aid to NYPD Traffic 123.0 FM
470.8375 Highway Patrol Mutual Aid to NYPD 136.5 FM

153.740 Old Freq-Air and Marine Bureaus None FM
123.45 Air Bureau Company Freq None AM
123.00 Air-to-Air (public use) None AM

154.115 Auxiliary Police High Band 100.0 FM
39.400 Auxiliary Police Low Band FM
37.140 Auxiliary Police

39.46 Statewide Low Band Intersystem

 

[Danny37]

Looking Back to when Nassau PD & NYC had frequencies to inter-op with
These Frequencies were From W2LIE Website--These were the UHF 400 Segments before Changing Over to the 500 System

At the Time there was 3 Frequencies Assigned to the NYPD--If i Remember Correctly--
Nassau 4th Pct was inter-op with NYPD 101 pct
Nassau 5th Pct was inter-op with NYPD 112 pct
Nassau Hi-Way Patrol was inter-op with NYPD Hi-Way

The Channel 10 was Calles the B/S Channel due to all the B/S that was Being Passed on that Freq--it was Actually a Car to Car Talk

NOTE---These Frequencies Below are NO Longer Used


Channel
Frequency ID Tag PL/DPL Mode1

ch 1--478.9125 NCPD Precincts 3 / 6 179.9 FM
ch 2--478.5625 NCPD County Wide Tac 179.9 FM
ch 3--477.3875 NCPD Precincts 2 / 8 179.9 FM
ch 4--477.2375 F-4 Details 179.9 FM
ch 5--478.5375 NCPD Precincts 1 / 7 179.9 FM
ch 6--477.2125 NCPD Precincts 4 / 5 179.9 FM
ch 7--478.7125 Detectives BSO ESB EAB 179.9 FM
ch 8--477.2625 Highway and ESU 179.9 FM
ch 9--478.9375 Surveillance Rptr 179.9 FM
ch 10--478.7375 Tactical (Tac-10) 179.9 FM
ch 11--478.9375 Surveillance Simplex 179.9 FM
ch 12--478.7375 Tactical Simplex 179.9 FM
ch 13--470.8625 NYPD Countywide 151.4 FM
ch 14--477.2875 Aviation / Marine Bureaus 179.9 FM

477.1875 Future Use 179.9 FM
478.5125 Shop Freq 179.9 FM
477.2375 NARCO-1 186.2 FM

470.8125 Highway Patrol Mutual Aid to NYPD Traffic 123.0 FM
470.8375 Highway Patrol Mutual Aid to NYPD 136.5 FM

153.740 Old Freq-Air and Marine Bureaus None FM
123.45 Air Bureau Company Freq None AM
123.00 Air-to-Air (public use) None AM

154.115 Auxiliary Police High Band 100.0 FM
39.400 Auxiliary Police Low Band FM
37.140 Auxiliary Police

39.46 Statewide Low Band Intersystem

I think all NCPD portables at that time had the 100/101, 105/113, 111, CW1 and CW3 programmed into them for NYPD interop. In the present layout, I think they either have CW1 or CW3 programmed into them.

 

[w2lie]

Since we've dusted off the old thread, I'll throw my $0.02 in here as well.
This is the NCPD Layout, as it was given to me many years ago. This might have changed since it was given to me. And I have no way of verifying it because you can no longer hear them say "Go to Channel x, y, or z"

Content / Nassau County Police / Nassau County Police 500Mhz Radio Layout - W2LIE.net | Monitor Long Island, Inc.

 

[kmilcar76]

question is ncpd is still active on the uhf 470mhz?