Nelson Switched?

[ranger2004]

853.550 is to weak for me to get any info from it.
But I dont think it has been there long.

Anyone confirm that it was Nelson that was was moved?

I have heard the UCAN guys talking about Nelson and West Mtn for the last two days.
So I guess it happening pretty quick now.

 

[LGLHOOK]

My Nelson site (868.55000) was no longer active. I punched in the freq you provided (853.55000) and it is showing "M36:7202 99%" on my Pro-96. I don't have trunker or anything like that to be 100% but it sounds like it to me

 

[KT7L]

Is this a Simo Site?

Looks like we are getting closer to the BIG ones !!

 

[Rolfman]

Nelson

Confirm on 853.5500. Trunker is decoding it as Nelson Peak Site 11 UCAN.

 

[tbogs]

I also have this confirmed as well. Nelson has been switched over.

 

[ww7y]

Yep! Tracking with Trunker and the new bandplan. This is getting scary! Glad I got my PSR600!.

Will have to try my work radio and see if it affiliates with Nelson OK.

Steve

 

[qlajlu]

Welcome Back, Rolfman!​

Hope you stay for a while!​

Confirm on 853.5500. Trunker is decoding it as Nelson Peak Site 11 UCAN.

Yep. I've lost a whole bank of TGs I had programmed into my BC780XLTs which included Wasatch, Summit, and Northern Utah Counties.

I can confirm getting CC noise on 853.5500.

RATS! I knew it was coming, but I didn't want it to.

Can anyone identify the alternate CC? How about the rest of the frequencies?

Good pickup, ranger2004! With vigilance like this, our down time is equal only to putting the new CCs in the frequency list...at least for those of us with newer scanners.

 

[Rolfman]

I am currently recording hits from Nelson on:

852.1125
852.5375
852.9875
862.0875
862.1125
863.7375
864.5625
864.7625

 

[Utah_Viper]

So looks like I only have a week or two left with my scanners
Hopefully I can get a GRE in a month or two.

 

[ww7y]

Welcome Back, Rolfman!​

Hope you stay for a while!​

Yep. I've lost a whole bank of TGs I had programmed into my BC780XLTs which included Wasatch, Summit, and Northern Utah Counties.

I can confirm getting CC noise on 853.5500.

RATS! I knew it was coming, but I didn't want it to.

Can anyone identify the alternate CC? How about the rest of the frequencies?

Good pickup, ranger2004! With vigilance like this, our down time is equal only to putting the new CCs in the frequency list...at least for those of us with newer scanners.

LCN Freq.
44 852.1125
61 852.5375
79 852.9875
443 851.1000
444 851.1250
467 851.7000
475 851.9000 Alt. CC
509 852.7500
541 853.5500 CC
542 853.5750
550 853.7750

After 2+ hours on Trunker. Traffic on all Voice Channels. Looks like the radios are affiliating properly to the new bandplan.

Same luck on Nelson with the BC780 and the BC246T as seen on Promontory. Nothing heard with the new CC programmed and using the CC only mode. With all the new freqs from the site programmed and NOT in CC mode, I hear traffic only on those LCNs that match the old bandplan, nothing on those LCNs that have changed.

The PSR600, with the rebanding bandplan programmed is receiveing all traffic on all LCNs as confirmed by Unitrunker.
Steve

 

[qlajlu]

This crew is a​

well oiled machine!​

You cannot keep us down, UCAN,​

anywhere in this state!​

Just a couple of hours and we are back to business as usual!​

 

[N7YUO]

Nelson Rebanded

I can confirm that Nelson Peak has been rebanded.
The old data freq: 868.55 is silent. New data freq 853.55 now on.
I ran Unitrunker on 853.55 and it shows 7202 site 11 (Nelson)

I also conformed that Point of the Mountain is rebanded.
It is now on 853.725.

 

[ranger2004]

Posted on the Reband thread, but Wst Mtn in Utah County just switched to 851.4250

 

[jjwhite29]

I guess im not sure on how to reband only way I could pick up traffic is to put all the new channels in voice and control. Normally i know you only download the CC channels from the RR base when you program your PSR500. I also have a bunch of TG's that it stops on and there is not any audio so what am I doing wrong. Not as good at this as I would like to be lol.

 

[ww7y]

I guess im not sure on how to reband only way I could pick up traffic is to put all the new channels in voice and control. Normally i know you only download the CC channels from the RR base when you program your PSR500. I also have a bunch of TG's that it stops on and there is not any audio so what am I doing wrong. Not as good at this as I would like to be lol.

Did you change your Trunking Tables setting to "Custom" and put in this trunking table?

Lo Chan, Hi Chan, Offset, Base Freq, Step

0, 439, 0, 851.012500, 25.000
440, 559, 440, 851.025000, 25.000
560, 719, 560, 865.012500, 25.000
720, 759, 720, 866.000000, 25.000
815, 831, 815, 867.000000, 25.000
958, 958, 958, 868.975000, 25.000
961, 1022, 961, 867.425000, 25.000

(Other bandplans might work, but this is the one I'm using now.)

Look in the manual under TSYS Menu Reference for procedure for changing and inputing custom tables. TSYS parameter is T Tables.

After you get this in, you should only need the CC freq programed under System Frequencies. You can add the Alt. CC if you like, but it is not required....unless they switch to the Alt. at some point.

 

[qlajlu]

This chart might be a little easier to read and follow. It is the custom band plan you need in your GRE 500/600 to be able to follow the rebanded sites as well as those yet to be switched and it is exactly the same as the one just above.

[u]Lo Chan[/u] [u]Hi Chan[/u]   [u]Offset[/u]    [u]Base Freq[/u]     [u]Step[/u]
0       439       0         851.012500    25.000
440     559       440       851.025000    25.000
560     719       560       865.012500    25.000
720     759       720       866.000000    25.000
815     831       815       867.000000    25.000
958     958       958       868.975000    25.000
961     1022      961       867.425000    25.000

jjwhite29, if you are using WIN500 to program your scanner, open the program, click on the "TSYS Objects" tab.

1. On the right side is a rectangular button that says, "System Frequencies." Enter the new CC frequency in that list then close it.

2. Click on the rectangular button just below the last one that says, "Trunking Tables" and enter the table above in that list, exactly like it shows.

3. Close that table and click on the drop-down menu and select "Custom."

4. Click on the next drop-down menu and since you are using a PSR-500, you will want to select "Roam" because you will be using your scanner while traveling. This helps it decide which site it will affiliate with while moving around. If you were going to use it like I use my PSR-600, always on my desk, then you would want to select "Stationary."

5. Upload these changes to your scanner and also save them to your p500 files and you should be good to go.

Unless you mess with the custom trunking table, you will not have to worry about it again. When other sites are changed, just add the new CC to your TSYS System Frequency list and that should be all you need to worry about - well, other than deleting the old CC.

 

[DonS]

This chart might be a little easier to read and follow. It is the custom band plan you need in your GRE 500/600 to be able to follow the rebanded sites as well as those yet to be switched and it is exactly the same as the one just above.

[u]Lo Chan[/u] [u]Hi Chan[/u]   [u]Offset[/u]    [u]Base Freq[/u]     [u]Step[/u]
0       439       0         851.012500    25.000
440     559       440       851.025000    25.000
560     719       560       865.012500    25.000
720     759       720       866.000000    25.000
815     831       815       867.000000    25.000
958     958       958       868.975000    25.000
961     1022      961       867.425000    25.000

There's a slightly smaller version, one that merely moves the "rebanded" channels in front of the default 800 MHz table:

[u]Lo Chan[/u] [u]Hi Chan[/u]   [u]Offset[/u]    [u]Base Freq[/u]     [u]Step[/u]
440     559       440       851.025000    25.000
0       719       0         851.012500    25.000
720     759       720       866.000000    25.000
815     831       815       867.000000    25.000
958     958       958       868.975000    25.000
961     1022      961       867.425000    25.000

(This version is also the one that should be used on a PRO-96/2096, since that scanner only has 6 table entries available.)

As far as the PSR-500/600 (and PRO-96/2096) are concerned, the 6-entry version is functionally equivalent to the 7-entry version. The 7-entry version may be necessary for apps like UniTrunker, though.

 

[jjwhite29]

Thank you for the help im up and running again and think I have a little better understanding on whats going on. I think Tooele sites are going to be real soon so im glad i have it figured out.

 

[kf7yn]

Here's how to make Trunker 3.8.3 work with rebanding. First, the frequency Plan has to be changed from 8 to 0.

Next, using Steve's LCN table; adding 25 kHz to each channel slot, there are 120 channels between 440 and 559. I let Nelson run on Trunker all morning and came up with 14 frequencies, 3 more than Steve's list showed. I verified the 3 additional frequencies using Trunker. I also verified it using my Pro-96 and PSR-500 which have been reprogrammed for rebanding.

In Trunker, notice the hex number follows the frequency: that is the LCN expressed in hex. Using the calculator in your computer (Scientific view), it's easy to convert hex to decimal. By following the LCN, 1c6. 1c7 and 1d1 were added by converting these to decimal and looking those numbers up in the LCN table. The decimal equivalents are 454, 455 and 465 which translates to 851.3750, 851.4000, and 851.6500 respectively. Confused? So was I until I made the LCN spreadsheet in Excel then it all became clear.

The good news is that Trunker 3.8.3 works fine with rebanding with easy hex to decimal conversions.

UCAN Nelson Peak <11>
MAP=22222222
OPTIONS=nVDF
PLAN=0
DESCR=Type II NetWkd 138.46 Hz
THRESHOLD=50
DISPOSITION=ascsdsesfulynbpbsr
v852.1125,2c,ffff,e81
v852.5375,3d,ffff,da0
v852.9875,4f,ffff,ef8
v851.1000,1bb,ffff,e49
v851.1250,1bc,ffff,ef3
v851.3750,1c6,ffff,1b
v851.4000,1c7,ffff,1c
v851.6500,1d1,ffff,92
v851.7000,1d3,ffff,182
av851.9000,1db,ffff,7
v852.7500,1fd,ffff,e61
dv853.5500,21d,ffff,2
v853.5750,21e,ffff,ea0
v853.7750,226,ffff,de9

 

[bneilson]

There's a slightly smaller version, one that merely moves the "rebanded" channels in front of the default 800 MHz table:

[u]Lo Chan[/u] [u]Hi Chan[/u]   [u]Offset[/u]    [u]Base Freq[/u]     [u]Step[/u]
440     559       440       851.025000    25.000
0       719       0         851.012500    25.000
720     759       720       866.000000    25.000
815     831       815       867.000000    25.000
958     958       958       868.975000    25.000
961     1022      961       867.425000    25.000

(This version is also the one that should be used on a PRO-96/2096, since that scanner only has 6 table entries available.)

As far as the PSR-500/600 (and PRO-96/2096) are concerned, the 6-entry version is functionally equivalent to the 7-entry version. The 7-entry version may be necessary for apps like UniTrunker, though.

I am using the large one on my GRE and the smaller one in Unitrunker and they are running great!