New Jersey Transit page in DB says "Hunter, NJ"?

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YES, Northeast Corridor is considered a general term to describe all their lines in the NE part of the country. But, notice that they do NOT CALL IT MAIN LINE anywhere!!! You just helped prove my point.
 

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YES, Northeast Corridor is considered a general term to describe all their lines in the NE part of the country. But, notice that they do NOT CALL IT MAIN LINE anywhere!!! You just helped prove my point.
Whatever helps you sleep at night Benjamin. You blatantly ignored the two shots of the employee timetable

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Acela Express is the train service, not the line. The Acela service runs via the Northeast Corridor, slightly differing from the Northeast Regional in terms of what stops it makes and its speed.

I could easily also say "no, it's not the Acela line, it's the Northeast Regional line" because the Northeast Regional runs on it.

No, it's not the NS Pittsburgh Line, it's the Amtrak Pennsylvanian Line. It says so on the website, duh
 

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You are correct UCVGabe. Notice how none of your links or info calls it "Main Line" as the db falsely indicates. Here is even a better link from Amtrak's official "Northeast Corridor Region" page, showing what each line/route is called within the Northeast Corridor region which extends out to Indiana.

https://www.amtrak.com/northeast-train-routes?stop_mobi=yes

The question is whether 161.010 is truly used on ALL THE LINES aka routes in the NE Corridor region? Again, nothing is officially called "Main Line" anymore.
 

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The terms route, service, line are the same thing. The region is called NE Corridor or Northeast Region.
 

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There are 17 routes aka lines aka service routes within the NE Corridor aka NE Region. The map in the link above from their official website indicates this.

I am sure conductors on each of these lines aka routes probably use different frequencies, in which some are obviously shared.
 

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Once again, that is a list of train services, not the lines the train services run on. The Northeast Regional also runs the same span, but it just goes further south [switches to a diesel engine in DC] and stops at more notable stops in between those the Acela also stops at.

The entire span of the electrified Amtrak line from Boston to DC is called the Northeast Corridor line. There are certain portions that different railroads operate on, such as NJT's area and MARC's area, but nonetheless it is all called the Northeast Corridor Line. No, the Northeast Corridor doesn't sum up every rail line in the NE area, it just sums up that one line. If you talk to a rail enthusiast about the Northeast Corridor, you are talking about that one line, because it is called the Northeast Corridor line.

Can Amtrak bar NJ Transit from Northeast Corridor if state withholds rent? | NJ.com

http://nj1015.com/amtrak-northeast-corridor-service-suspended-bewteen-philly-and-washington/

http://www.nec-commission.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/necc_cin_20130123.pdf

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2016/08/26/could-boston-be-out-of-amtraks-northeast-corridor

Proposal for Northeast Corridor upgrades includes major rerouting in Maryland - Baltimore Sun

https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g191-d8457318-r446777715-Amtrak-United_States.html

The "Main Line' thing I don't know too much about, but there is solid proof from official railroad documents that cite it. But for you to deny that the Northeast Corridor is a line and just throw every rail line in the area and call it the Northeast Corridor is ridiculous, and the fact that you're being 100% serious about thinking that's the case is mind blowing
 

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UCV Gabe, you do sound much more educated on this than some of the others on here. According to Amtrak's website, they seem to call the "Northeast Region and Northeast Corridor" the same thing. For the sake of not arguing with you and lets just say that Northeast Corridor ONLY refers to the line between DC and Boston. Would it truly be wise to categorize this entire stretch (no matter what you want to call it) in the DB as ONE LISTING using the same frequency (161.010)? OR should each route be listed separately as Empire Express, Acela Express, Keystone, etc..?
This would depend on whether they ALL use the same frequency. Nevertheless, it should NOT be called Main Line (which seems more like emoloyee slang) in the db. If anything, call it Northeast Corridor or Northeast Region as Amtrak officially calls it.
 
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A ha! Found it. Here is a website that shows the frequencies used by Amtrak much better than RR does. If you notice, the so-called Northeast Corridor uses MANY DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES depending on which service route they are operating. Therefore, the,ACELA EXPRESS service route should be listed separately, because other PARTS OF THE NE CORRIDOR line uses different frequencies. Since the part that runs through NJ is called Acela Express, this should be the title the db gives it. This website is much clearer than RR.

On Track On Line - Amtrak Radio Frequencies
 

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But the Acela Express runs all the way from Boston to DC, still changing frequencies as it goes....? Have you ever looked at the Acela timetable? It crosses through multiple of those frequency areas, the frequency changing depending on where on the line it is doesn't disprove anything...
 
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OK, first batch done!

You guys are going to have to live with some of the category names, as the DB absolutely abhors the ampersand (&) and will not allow it in category & sub-category titles...
Can you use a plus sign (+) instead? I do that on my scanner alpha tags because it is easier to read.
 
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"Acela" is a particular model of Amtrak engine. AFAIK, the "Acela Express" is a label for one or more scheduled trains that are always assigned that particular power.
 

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It simply should not be called "Main Line". Even the db indicates the true "Main Line" under Pennsylvania Railroads between Harrisburg and Philly. In NJ, it should be labeled either Acela Express or NE Corridor region.
 

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According to Amtrak's website, they seem to call the "Northeast Region and Northeast Corridor" the same thing.
Not the same thing. Northeast Corridor is the tracks which run from DC to Boston. Northeast Regional is the AMTRAK train service (that you call "route", but I think "route" can be a little confusing in this context) which moves passengers along the NEC, basically the step between the Acela Express and the NJT express trains. Other train services moving passengers on the NEC in our area are NJT NEC, NJT North Jersey Coast Line (for a section of that service), SEPTA, and more. Freight also uses the NEC, and AMTRAK has long-distance train services using the NEC.

For the sake of not arguing with you and lets just say that Northeast Corridor ONLY refers to the line between DC and Boston.
That's nice, and correct as others here have said already.

Would it truly be wise to categorize this entire stretch (no matter what you want to call it) in the DB as ONE LISTING using the same frequency (161.010)? OR should each route be listed separately as Empire Express, Acela Express, Keystone, etc..?
This would depend on whether they ALL use the same frequency.
No! The NEC is broken up into sections, the section by us is the Main Line. Communications are affected by whether the particular train is on the main line or a different line. Other lines use different frequencies, and as mentioned above there are very many services all using the Main Line. This is why the database should identify the frequencies for NEC - Main Line versus other sections of the NEC, instead of saying "the Acela Express between here and here is this but between here and there is that, and by the way all the other trains which run between Acela Express also use the same frequencies as Acela Express."

Nevertheless, it should NOT be called Main Line (which seems more like emoloyee slang) in the db. If anything, call it Northeast Corridor or Northeast Region as Amtrak officially calls it.
As stated before, AMTRAK refers to the NEC. Their customers really don't care what the different sections of it are but scannists certainly do. And the Northeast Regional is one specific AMTRAK service which spans all lines on the NEC.

-Jim
(lest my location throw you, until recently I was a long-term resident of and scannist at Monmouth Junction. Care to know why the town was named that? My home was actually a little closer to Midway.)
 
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It simply should not be called "Main Line". Even the db indicates the true "Main Line" under Pennsylvania Railroads between Harrisburg and Philly. In NJ, it should be labeled either Acela Express or NE Corridor region.
In the railroad world, the term "main line", means something. It is an important designation.

You can't use generic terms for certain trains, or corridors to identify a specific track.


Source: Burner50 drove the choo choo trains for ten years.
 
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