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Originally Posted by Comint
Unzipped the file. Clicked on Uniform.exe. File doesn't even open on Win98 system.
Can you provide more details?
Nothing much more to add. Win98SE, Intel 2GHz processor, 1GHz ram, over 40GHz disk space free.

Unzipping the file automatically created a 'Universal Trunker folder' and all files were un-archived into there.

Double-clicked on Uniform.exe - Cursor changed from Arrow to Egg-timer. After 8 seconds cursor changed back to Arrow. Uniform.exe not opened.

Uniform.exe shows as Ver 1.0.0.1

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My comment on my win2k

All the Buttons that used to setup the system such as the place that when you define the radiio type or the sound card input dont work when i Click on the Buttun the line opened but no ability to chose
the only way to chose is clicking on the button and after wuth the right or lefft keyboard arrows (same is for start stop the receiver (wich it have to be started every time the programm star because it is by default "stopped")

no scroll bar for data wich is more then one screen
When there is a lot of tata (such as at the groups menue ) it show only the beginning of the groups list untill full screen and no scroll bars , the only way to scroll is with the keyboard up down arrows

now two questions
1 I imported groups from the old unitrunker software and they apear now in Light gray instead of the software default (and also what used to be at the unitrunker program) wich is green
how do i change all the groups that there to shown in green ?

another question is the scope is not showing anything although that the software running (and decoding 98 %)
what is wrong ?

More problems / comment today when i will come home ...
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comint said:
Double-clicked on Uniform.exe - Cursor changed from Arrow to Egg-timer. After 8 seconds cursor changed back to Arrow. Uniform.exe not opened.
Thank you. I'll have to resurrect Windows 98SE on VMware to check this out.

Viper43 said:
It only shows Com 1, 3 and 4, yet I have all of them in use up to 28.... yeah, yeah, a bit crowded, what can I say
I'm guessing the other ports don't show because they are in use. The program scans for ports up to port 14. If you can swap a currently occupied low port number (14 or less) with a free high port number (15 or higher) - and restart the program (so it can re-scan the ports) - it should see the available port (again, provided it is not in use by another program) and allow you to use it with your radio.

I do need to revisit the program's port enumeration logic. It works well in terms of compatibility across multiple versions of Windows but can be expensive time wise (can take several seconds to do a scan) so I limit the total number of ports. If I were to scan for 30 or more ports - the scan might take 1 minute or so for some versions of Windows. There's a plug-and-play timeout of a few seconds for each port - after 10 or more ports the delay quickly adds up.

ronenp said:
the only way to chose is clicking on the button and after with the right or left keyboard arrows (same is for start stop the receiver (which it have to be started every time the program star because it is by default "stopped")
There is a bug impacting Windows 2000 (possibly 9X too) where the combo box drop down list is too small so you can't see more than one choice.

ronenp said:
no scroll bar for data which is more then one screen
Right - this will eventually get fixed.

ronenp said:
how do i change all the groups that there to shown in green ?
Select them and click the "edit" button on the toolbar (looks like a spy glass or magnifying glass).

ronenp said:
another question is the scope is not showing anything
Sounds like another bug. I'll check this out.

ronenp said:
More problems / comment today when I will come home ...
Awesome. I look forward to it.
 

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Working good on WINDOWS VISTA PREMIMUM.
You had mentioned before that it is possible to monitor two systems by selecting right/left channels on the input. I am going to give that a try this weekend.
 

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Try it out. You might be lucky. I suspect it will work for some scanner models and not others.

Unitrunker,

I've tried it out with my Uniden BC796D and my GRE PSR-600 and it won't control either one of them. Other than that, the program is fantastic - it's been running 24 hours straight without a single crash.
 

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Unitrunker seems to be adding a Control Channel for an adjacent Site when I run it on the Ct SP Omnilink system. I have deleted every file, reloaded the newest UT files and imported the info from my v1.0.57 Unitrunker files. Within a few seconds, it adds the adjacent Site CC and marks/colors it as a control channel.

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OK, well as I said in the first post I'm not moving things around, that just causes more problems and it could literally take a day or two to get things swapped. It's too bad though as I did try it on another computer this morning for kicks and it worked fine I however can't tie that computer up with this as it's my laptop that goes everywhere I do for news stuff only.

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I found a small bug...

When looking at a system under the "Groups" tab, I am unable to sort by 'Hits'. The column order changes but is not ordered by hits.

When I try this same thing under the "Users" tab it works just fine.
 

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Unitrunker,
I did notice a couple things

1: it pulls up the callsign but not the NAC, even adding it manually it reverts to zero

2: if you check the "confirmed" box it's gone the next day and hits reset as well. Not sure if thats what you intended but I'd prefer not loose the the confirmation at the very least, and actually wouldn't mind if it kept the count going but thats no big deal.

Is there a hit count for RID and TGID? That may be helpfull too but I hadn't found any.

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Works great on my setup now, though I gave up on the Eee PC's internal sound input and am using a USB SBLive sound "card".

Still getting Windows error upon trying to shut down Uniform though.

Also the RR download that crashed yesterday and was mentioned, also crashes trying to download P25 systems without sysids in the DB, i.e. SID 4632. Wonder if systems with incomplete information are being unkind to your download procedures (or vice versa)?

When a download is successful into a "new system" (i.e. a blank system entry), should it not overwrite the "ID" field if possible and update the "Type" to what is stored in the RRDB? I'm not sure I'm consistently seeing that on downloads either.

Also, please refresh my memory - is it true that an MPT1327 system when found will create a new system even if that system ID is already in the DB? That's the behavior I'm seeing. I seem to recall being told previously that this was the case because of the inability to know the frequency on the signal-providing scanner (or other audio source).

And one final thing - it appears that certain characters in text fields are not being carried through in RR downloads, i.e. & and - and so on, and are being replaced with spaces. Example: "Edmonton Public Safety & Public Works" becomes "Edmonton Public Safety(three spaces)Public Works". Is this intentional?
 

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Hello. I have downloaded the new version, and I am having a problem with my EDACS system. I thought that it would no longer display LIMBO with the new version, but it still does.

I put in the frequency for the control channel, but it continues to open a new system every time I run the receiver.

Anyone (or the author)have any suggestions?

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Make sure you have previously saved and checked the CONTROL channel box for all possible control channels. That did the ticket for me. If you have - more details probably needed since EDACS Ingham Co MI (2849) is working very well.
 

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Make sure you have previously saved and checked the CONTROL channel box for all possible control channels. That did the ticket for me. If you have - more details probably needed since EDACS Ingham Co MI (2849) is working very well.

Yes I have done that.

The system is saved and is labeled. I can click on the system, site, then channels, and the control channel LCN is entered correctly is checked control. When I reopen unitrunker and turn to that controller channel, a new LIMBO systems comes up. I can still go back to my old labeled and set up system, but it will not read there. only in the new LIMBO.

Thanks for your assitance to all

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When the limbo system comes up - are you entering the control channel?
 

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When the limbo system comes up - are you entering the control channel?

So, you are saying that I must enter the control every time I go to that system? If I do that, it does go to the saved system.

I would think the software would know what control I am listening to, and find that in the saved file.
 

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Yes and Yes. EDACS is not the same as Motorola - it doesn't send out the frequency, just the LCN, so the software has no way of correlating what system you are monitoring. That's why entering LCN's in a scanner is SO critical. Unlike Motorola systems which say "Channel 47" (where 47 = 868.550MHz or something like that) the EDACS just says "LCN 5" (and 5 can be anything.)
 

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I would think the software would know what control I am listening to, and find that in the saved file.

That's the problem I was mentioning earlier and not Unitrunker's fault. As rdale mentions, EDACS and certain other trunking protocols (MPT1327 for one) don't announce the frequency within the control channel data. (Technically, Motorola doesn't either, they announce the "channel number" - but channel numbers in most cases on Mot systems usually follow a common, standardized pattern.)
 

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mikea7531 said:
I've tried it out with my Uniden BC796D and my GRE PSR-600 and it won't control either one of them.
I expect to make more voice following progress for the next release.

mikea7531 said:
Other than that, the program is fantastic - it's been running 24 hours straight without a single crash.
Thanks Mike.

cg said:
Unitrunker seems to be adding a Control Channel for an adjacent Site when I run it on the Ct SP Omnilink system. I have deleted every file, reloaded the newest UT files and imported the info from my v1.0.57 Unitrunker files. Within a few seconds, it adds the adjacent Site CC and marks/colors it as a control channel.
Weirdness. Open your signal receiver's window and turn the decode Logging on. Let that run for a minute or so. Please send me the resulting log (you can turn logging back off to save disk space). I'll sort through the messages. Usually this is caused by switching the receiver rapidly between two control channels (the program adds the information before it realizes the monitored system has changed).

bneilson said:
under the "Groups" tab, I am unable to sort by 'Hits'. The column order changes but is not ordered by hits. When I try this same thing under the "Users" tab it works just fine.
Good find. I'll fix that.

Viper43 said:
it pulls up the callsign but not the NAC, even adding it manually it reverts to zero
The NAC is readonly. It isn't meant to be edited. The NID (which includes the NAC) is stripped from the data coming from your PSR-500 or PSR-600 so there is no way to infer modulation type or NAC. The radio does display the NAC so I might be able get at it by reading the display but this is a lot of extra work for a minor detail making this a low priority.

Viper43 said:
if you check the "confirmed" box it's gone the next day and hits reset as well. Not sure if thats what you intended but I'd prefer not loose the the confirmation at the very least, and actually wouldn't mind if it kept the count going but thats no big deal.
It should be there.

Viper43 said:
Is there a hit count for RID and TGID? That may be helpfull too but I hadn't found any.
Look for "Hits", groups, radios and channels all have hit counters.

Jay911 said:
Works great on my setup now, though I gave up on the Eee PC's internal sound input and am using a USB SBLive sound "card".
That sucks. The ASUS has some nice specs - despite the odd screen geometry.

Jay911 said:
Still getting Windows error upon trying to shut down Uniform though.
Does the program (at least) crash *after* saving your data? Send me an email if you can get a crash dump of this.

Jay911 said:
Also the RR download that crashed yesterday and was mentioned, also crashes trying to download P25 systems without sysids in the DB, i.e. SID 4632. Wonder if systems with incomplete information are being unkind to your download procedures (or vice versa)?
I'll test out the offending systems to see what's up. The XML code is probably not behaving defensively enough to unexpected input.

Jay911 said:
When a download is successful into a "new system" (i.e. a blank system entry), should it not overwrite the "ID" field if possible and update the "Type" to what is stored in the RRDB? I'm not sure I'm consistently seeing that on downloads either.
It should update the system's RR DB ID with the RR DB SID number from the download. The program can determine type directly from the control channel (though it may take time). The RR database's type / category system is different from what Unitrunker needs to fingerprint a system. Band plans and fleet maps sometimes change - as do channel assignments. I try to rely on the control channel as much as possible (and remember what was learned from previous decoding sessions).

Jay911 said:
Also, please refresh my memory - is it true that an MPT1327 system when found will create a new system even if that system ID is already in the DB? That's the behavior I'm seeing. I seem to recall being told previously that this was the case because of the inability to know the frequency on the signal-providing scanner (or other audio source).
Some "default" system IDs are reused often enough that the system ID can't be reliably used to distinguish two systems. This is almost as bad as EDACS and LTR (but not quite). The frequency is an easy way to distinguish two systems that have similar control channel traits.

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And one final thing - it appears that certain characters in text fields are not being carried through in RR downloads, i.e. & and - and so on, and are being replaced with spaces. Example: "Edmonton Public Safety & Public Works" becomes "Edmonton Public Safety(three spaces)Public Works". Is this intentional?
I though I was handling all the built-in XML special characters like less-than, greater-than and ampersand. I'll check this out.

When I reopen unitrunker and turn to that controller channel, a new LIMBO systems comes up.
As rdale suggests - you need to fill in the control channel frequency. The program will search your data file for an existing site that matches (same site number and control channel frequency) and ditch the "limbo" site. EDACS does not have strong identity so this is the only way I've found for the program to accurately match previously logged data with a new control channel decoding session. You'll have to do this extra step each time you start decoding a new EDACS system.

There's a similar issue with decoding / ID'ing LTR and - to a lesser extent - MPT1327.

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I would think the software would know what control I am listening to, and find that in the saved file.
If only that were true. In the future - I may be able to eliminate this manual step IF the signal radio is also a computer controlled model (and can report it's tuned frequency directly to the program). That's a ways off. Currently - all receivers are treated as if they are blind (eg. they can't report the currently tuned frequency).
 

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Thanks guys... It makes perfect sense to me at this time. Working as described.
 
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