NORAD 380mhz Radio Transmitter

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The Gazette ran a article today saying that a new 380 MHZ radio transmitter they have been testing may have caused interference with garage door openers operating in the 315mhz range in the area. Anyone know any details of this new radio system ?
 

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Just what the Gazette said...once they turned off this mysterious transmitter, all the garage door openers starting working again.
This happened last time a bunch of NATO folks were meeting at the Broadmoor. NATO put up a temporary radio system, and garage doors started going up and down on their own, etc.
 
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Just what the Gazette said...once they turned off this mysterious transmitter, all the garage door openers starting working again.
This happened last time a bunch of NATO folks were meeting at the Broadmoor. NATO put up a temporary radio system, and garage doors started going up and down on their own, etc.

Unless people have really old garage door systems, they should not go up and down, they just stop working do to the signal being blocked.
 

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Shouldn't happen and what did happen are two different things. Most just stopped working, but there were verified reports of erratic operations, too.
 

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Numerous military and some fed systems have established P25 trunk systems in this neck of the woods; some are encrypted and cannot be trunked - however, the BCCD396 and 996 can trunk those that are still in the clear. All the other dig trunktrackers might be able to listen in a conventional manner.

Contrary to belief (including mine at one point), they aren't taking over the entire portion of the band, just selected channels. Others are still using this band for aero ops, as before.

We can expect to see more of this as more of these systems come online.

73s Mike
 

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I should have done a search first on 380 mhz, there are a lot of postings concerning the new 380 mhz trunk system the US Government is setting up around the country. I will do some scanning in the 370-400 mhz range to see if I can pickup any control channels locally and report them on this thread.
 

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Between now and 2008, the military is supplying a new radio system to
roughly 125 bases that uses the same frequency as the one relied upon by
more than 90 percent of the remotely operated openers, Pentagon and
industry officials say.

The military radio signal is sometimes so strong that it overpowers the
opener's signal, preventing the door from opening. Or it can also vastly
reduce the opener's range, forcing the user to walk close to the garage
before it will open.

Unless another solution is reached, the consumer will either have to
live with the inconvenience or pay to fix the problem.

The cheapest fix would be to manually replace parts of the opener so it
will use a different frequency -- probably a $60 job, said Mark Karasek,
technical director of a manufacturers' group formed in response to the
military radio rollout. Calling a technician to do it for you will
probably run double that, he said.

This presumes consumers figure out what is wrong. When a garage door
doesn't open, people will generally replace the battery, then the opener
itself. A new opener can run $150 or $200 before installation.
Government and industry officials differ on how widespread the effect
will be. The government predicts it will be limited the industry says it
will be worse but wants more information from the military. "These
things are generally in a relatively small radius around military
facilities," said Michael D. Gallagher, chief of the National
Telecommunications and Information Administration, which oversees
government use of the airwaves.
"The period of inconvenience is generally around when they start up the
system. Generally consumers can try again after letting a short pause go
by." Linton Wells II, Pentagon acting chief information officer,
predicted the effect will only be noticed within 10 miles of a base. But
Karasek said interference may be felt as far away as 50 miles. He
estimated that at least 50 million garage-door openers in the United
States use the same frequency as the new radios. Beyond issues of
convenience and cost, his group raises safety concerns about people who
don't carry house keys being locked out of their homes. The garage-door
opener frequency at issue -- 390 megahertz -- has belonged to the
military since around 1950. Openers have legally operated at that
frequency since at least the early 1980s, Karasek said. U.S. law allows
low-power electronic devices to operate on military frequencies if they
don't cause interference. It was a good frequency for garage-door
openers because transmissions can penetrate the doors.
Also, until recently, the military did not employ it often, so the
industry did not have to worry about interference.

Garage-door openers are too low-powered to have any effect on military
communications. It is unknown how many garage doors are close enough to
one of the 125 bases to be affected, and Pentagon officials refused to
list which bases would receive the new radios. A spokesman said large
bases are among those receiving them.

The interference was first discovered in recent months in two areas
where the new radios were tested: Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, and Eglin
Air Force Base, Florida.

In Florida, 127 people living within seven miles of Eglin complained of
interference, officials said. In Pennsylvania, where a few bases started
using the radios, more than 100 people contacted the local congressman,
Republican Rep. Todd Platts, about the problem, an aide said.
Mechanicsburg resident Clifford Jones couldn't open his door at first.
Now he can -- by walking to within a few feet of it with the remote.
"It's an inconvenience. It's not a crisis," said Jones, who is an
advocate for keeping the state's military bases open. The conflict
arises from a radio spectrum increasingly congested by military and
commercial users flooding the airwaves with communications, data and
signals.

The new radios are part of an $800 million project to use the military's
allotted airwaves more efficiently amid ever-growing needs, which now
include vast transmissions of computer data, defense officials said.
"We're so dependent on communications and networking devices, and we're
going to become more and more dependent," the Pentagon's Wells said. All
bases are getting new radios, with 125 receiving those that function at
the frequency of garage-door openers. The radios are used for routine
and emergency communications and training purposes.

The radios are coming online in at least two more places: Fort Hamilton
in New York City and Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. The
Defense and Commerce departments, the Federal Communications Commission
and industry are starting discussions. Base commanders will be
instructed to inform nearby communities the interference is coming.
Karasek said a solution may be for the military to program its radios to
skip the garage-door opener frequency. Manufacturers may also have to
start building garage-door openers that work on a different frequency,
or are less susceptible to interference.

Patrick Griffith, N0NNK
Westminster, CO
 

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The "within 10 miles" quoted in the article is stretching it quite a bit. It's actually only occurring within a mile or so of the base.
Heck, most of Colorado Springs is within 10 miles of Cheyenne Mtn (as the crow flies), including my house, and I'm not having any problems, and neither is anyone else not in the immediate vicinity.
 

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Time to build an amp for my garage door opener. :twisted:

Also have have all kinds of GE smart home wireless crap in this range. I just realized something, not only will I not be able to open the garage door, but on the way in I won't be able to turn on the light either. :lol:
 
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scanner_nut said:
The Gazette ran a article today saying that a new 380 MHZ radio transmitter they have been testing may have caused interference with garage door openers operating in the 315mhz range in the area. Anyone know any details of this new radio system ?

All I can think of is the commercial with the husband flipping the switch on and off in his house trying to figure out what it controls, while two doors down, the garage door is smashing the neighbor's car hood. :lol:
 
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