NYCOMCO ECACS Orange County...

[kevin390]

I live on the Ulster-Orange county line on Rt-32. I have a Wallkill address, Newburgh phone number and live in the Town of Plattekill . Why it's set up like this I dont know. But anyway over this past year the Town of Plattekill has gone to a LTR system as have the Town of Shawangunk and the Town of Crawford.

Plattekill uses two towers---------

ILLINOIS TOWER ------------ELLENVILLE TOWER
( Main )-----------------------( Back-up )

01-461.6875----------------- 01-451.4625
03-462.4875----------------- 03-452.2875
05-464.7875----------------- 05-452.3125
07-464.7125----------------- 07-451.7375
09-464.9125----------------- 09-463.5265

The talk group ID's are 0-01-022 and 0-01-023 for the police. The Police also use's U.C.-911- 155.025 and the State police Frequencies allot also. More then their own LTR system. Also a few fire departments use these two towers.

The Town of Sawangunk PD has a one frequency LTR system. 453.7375 and their ID is 0-01-110. It's the only traffic I have heard on that system. You are right, there isn't as much traffic heard like when they had 460.025 or even when they were on a ED trunk system. Maybe they also use county- 911 like Plattekill does.

The Town of Crawford Police also haves a one frequency LTR system. 453.825 with an ID of 0-01-111. With Crawford's system you also get DPW-0-01-113, Link to the O.C.-911, ID-0-01-115 and State Police, ID-0-01-116. I too would rather listen to the State Police and O.C.-911 on their normal frequencies.

As for the Ulster County Sheriff, They switched their dispatch frequency from 155.670 to 155.9325 a while back. 155.670 is now a Tac frequency with very litte traffic on it.

 

[SCANdal]

390,

Can you confirm Crawford's change of LTR frequency from 453.8125R to 453.825R (Montgomery FD's crossband link to Orange County's VHF low band fire channels)?

SCANdal

 

[kevin390]

SCANdal and others sorry about the typo. Crawford is 453.8125 not 453.825. I have wireless keyboard and if it isn't aimed just right I mess up. I re-read what I write but things get by every know and then...............Ray

 

[ChrisMorrison]

I can't remember exactly where I heard of them, but probably it was the NY Times if I guess. It was part of the new digital trunked system in which all agencies would be able to contact each other, such as fire and police agencies and EMS. They also added that a lot of the fire departments had just finished converting to UHF radios and they had announced they would not be adopting the new system. I used to have both the scanners you mentioned and when I stopped working as a security officer I sold both of them. The PRO-2055 went for about $299 in the Pine Bush Radio Shack store yesterday. I may get one of those pretty soon, plus the PRO-97. I really needed the PL and DPL in Middletown because I got so much stuff from Westchester and New Jersey on my local frequencies. I didn't need to know the PL or DPL because if you were in either mode and didn't enter a PL or DPL, the system would display the right number to enter. Then I would write it down because I would often forget the right PL frequency in the process of entering it, then I would have to start over. I noticed that Galleria Security had a DPL, and so did Wallkill PD. Now I did have a friend who told me the Beacon PD had gone to a digital system, but maybe she was just referring to a conventional trunking system. I know I did hear them via Beacon on the EDACS. I guess the City of Newburgh detectives have scrambled their D2 channel, and I remember reading that Poughkeepsie had scrambled several of theirs.

I was a security guard for 20 years or so, and it has been looking like a good job after working for a grocery store. I used to walk around an empty factory, listen to a scanner, read books, and drink coffee. My closest supervisor was in another town, and maybe the roadent (road+agent) would check on my once a night but usually not because they knew things were okay when I was there and anyway they couldn't take it. I even made better money than now. But this is off topic!

Chris

 

[kevin390]

Chris I would find a different Radio Shack if they are charging about $299.00 for a pro-2055. I have bought things from there. It's Williams Business Machines and they sell Radio Shack items. The Newburgh Mall has a good Radio Shack and so does New Platz. But the way they go thru sales people this can and has changed a few times in the past...............Ray

 

[DaveNF2G]

ChrisM - the radio system you were reading about is not being pushed by the Feds. In fact, it is not P25 compliant enough to get federal funding. New York State is building it for themselves without any federal bucks so the NYSP can have a "private" radio network. They are kindly allowing counties and municipalities that want to use it to become "partners" in the system at various levels. Think of it as the levels of membership you get depending on how much money you send your local PBS station, but with a lot more zeroes.

 

[Coastie127]

Don;t even get me started on NYCOMCO. The Beacon system went down last week followed by the Arden system a few days later. I was told it was because of a lightning strike at Beacon, but who knows. The funny thing is there is no failsoft repeater set up in the event the system goes down. So either your forced to use "DIRECT" on a 15 watt mobile or 3 watt portable and share it with every user on the system or switch back to the old reliable VHF and have no protable radio.

Haha, yeah i remember that night with Beacon Tower going down, the funny part was there was no thunderstorms, just the usually excuse just like when it snows and then the warm weather melts the snow which get water into the things to have the tower go down, the usual bull**** excuses. Well if the system goes down they usually page out and do transmission to the next tower that is closest to the unit or i think they go off the back up/local tower at the 911 Center. Theres tons of problems with the 800 system and the other systems in the county.

I used to live in Middletown, now in Pine Bush, Ulsterville Road. I am in Ulster County, about a mile from Orange, and Sullivan just a few miles down Burlingham Road. I listen to the 911, fire, and EMS from all of these, plus Walden (956, 156.150), Middletown (619, 155.730), and Wallkill (404, 460.350). Also Mobile Life (412, 144.385), Statflight, air guard (121.500). I listen to most of the secondary fire channels, but a lot of the firegound where I used to live is on local UHF repeaters now. Mechanicstown always came in loud and clear in Scotchtown, but Silver Lake was weak and scratchy. I used to hear Beacon trunks loud and clear from Middletown and from Cox Road in Bloomingburg if the antenna was decent. About ten years ago, Walden 956 did not have a repeater, and they used their 800's when they didn't want to be overheard. This was somewhat ironic, because with the trunks I could hear everything from Middletown and with 956 I could only hear the base most of the time.

I sold off my good scanners, but when I moved up hear I found one of those old 1,000-channel Radio Shack numbers and plugged it in. It has the military air band but no PL/DPL. I can hear Ulster 911 (County, 155.025) from all the towers but can't hear the Sheriff dispatch which used to be on 155.670 at all. I went through the channels you recommended for the local Shawangunk police traffic (I remember it did used to be 460.025) and didn't get anything but the clicks you mentioned. Right now I have 453.7375 programmed but haven't heard much yet. I did hear some digital stuff may on that frequency. Could it maybe be used for digital pagers? Most of the police calls seem to be on County these days in Ulster. I do know that sheriff deputies sometimes run the desk at Shawangunk PD headquarters, so could they have taken their routine calls to UCSO's channel, and anyway why don't I hear them at all? They couldn't have gone trunked because they couldn't get through from most of the rural parts of the county, could they? Now with 453.8125 I also hear state police base to car transmissions and Orange 911 transmissions, and splatter from 36 control. To get away from the latter I mostly programme 458.8125 and can hear most of the transmissions there. The state police still come in on the old vhf channels 1 to 3, but I can't vouch for channels 4 and 5. They also are on all the 911 polling channels.

Does anybody have any hints or comments on these? I am thinking of getting a couple of those new scanners (one handheld, one desktop) that you can use for the new digital trunk systems I was being told are being introduced across the Hudson, but I also hear that the newer systems Homeland Insecurity is pushing are designed so that they can't be monitored. Of course I have some sympathy because if I had their track record I wouldn't want anybody listening in either! But I do like to listen because when the local paper doesn't print anything much that happens you have to listen in for yourself.

Chris

To answer some more of your questions, it's nice to get a new scanner, but the way things look for Orange County there will not be a digital system for quite a while since the County has a very long contract with NYCOMCO which sucks. Currently they're has'nt been any new systems across the Hudson except Westchester County which just implented a new UHF Trunked System which i heard is in service. I am not sure if it's a digital or not.
So far from Homeland Security they're really has'nt been a push for wireless digital systems so far, such as the coast guard which operate some of there frequencies on P-25 with encryption when the time is needed for security reasons same goes with U.S. Customs and other government agencies. I know New York has been coming up with a Opensky Standard Wireless System where nothing can pick up this system, not even a Digital Scanner can pick them up, only one brand of radio's that can recieve and transmit which is MA/Comm the company that is developing the system. With this system it should also be Interoperable with County and Local authorities. Which sucks is these radio's cost alot and for emergencies services to purchase them just to use them for Inter-System type thing will be a waste of money for them to purchase radio's for it. Also i think it will also be set up for Statewide Hospital System just like New Jersey has on there Motorola Trunked which has Statewide Hospital System. It will suck for the system to be up but it won't happen until a good few years from now still giving us hobbyist time to listen to NYSP and the rest.





Well you can hear Middletown and Wallkill pretty good they were pretty smart and did'nt go with the county Trunked, Mobile Life operates on 155.385 and they operate on numerous towers but there repeater system is a voting system which is when MLSS rig transmits it will pick the closest tower, they also have lincesed UHF channels which i have never heard them operate on. for OC firegrounds are on low band with many dept.'s that have UHF channels crosspatched in to Low band firegrounds. Mechanicstown FD has a good repeater tower and Silver Lake does'nt have such a powerfull repeater systen, could be the wattage it's on, never know. Well the Beacon tower is pretty good and can hear it but it really depends. I am suprised you heard it from Middletown and Bloomingburg, must of been on a mountain to hear the tower, usually a line of sight thing. I don't think the 800 Trunked System was'nt up ten years ago so idk why you said 10 years ago. Also Stat Flight does not operate on the frequency that you posted, they operate on UHF 463.00000 for output and 468.00000 for imput, you will hear them really good, also 46.40 is usually the frequencies for LZ's to impound Helo's. Whats with 453.8125, state police and county don't operate on that, they either operate VHF or 800 Trunked, SP mostly uses VHF 155.535 for base and i think 154.935 or something like that for mobile you can put the pl codes in for the different zones if you want but i don't do that, also asking about not hearing some of the SP's channels 3-10 are Statewide channels and you will hear some units on them once in a while. Also since you said you live in Pine Bush you should put 453.825 into your scanner that is 36 Control on a cross patch on Montgomery's FD Tower.
I could'nt really help with Ulster County, I know some PD's in Ulster operate on the NYCOMCO EDAC System such as New Paltz, Marlboro, Llyod and also Ulser County utilizes it too with a cross patch from 800mhz to VHF. I hope this will help you.

 

[Coastie127]

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[Coastie127]

Too many clicks

 

[Coastie127]

I wish there was a way to delete your own post's because something happened where i posted and they told me to sign in, so i had to go back and do it again and it just showed up three posts of the same thing, oh welll.

 

[Coastie127]

Chris,

What "newer systems" are you hearing that Homeland Security is "pushing" that "can't be monitored?"

SCANdal

Have'nt heard much about any systems the Homeland Security has been pushing, one new system which has been developed and already used not just for communications but for other means of Operations is the Coast Guard Rescue 21 System. Been the best so far beats the old wide range of older/outdated communication equipment which has replaced the Legacy System which is the old National Distress System, But besides that there really has'nt been a push in any newer systems by DHS

 

[SCANdal]

Currently they're has'nt been any new systems across the Hudson except Westchester County which just implented a new UHF Trunked System which i heard is in service. I am not sure if it's a digital or not.

Westchester's new trunked system is analog

Mobile Life operates on 155.385 and they operate on numerous towers but there repeater system is a voting system which is when MLSS rig transmits it will pick the closest tower

I wasn't aware that such a significant upgrade to their system took place.

Also Stat Flight does not operate on the frequency that you posted, they operate on UHF 463.00000 for output and 468.00000 for imput,

Your implication here is that STaTFlight is operating through a repeater. They are not. Their system is set up the same way State Police Troop F is. Bases on 463.000; field units on 468.000.

Whats with 453.8125, state police and county don't operate on that, they either operate VHF or 800 Trunked

You are correct. That frequency is Crawford Police's LTR trunked system. They use it to talk to DSP and the county so that they only need to carry one radio.

SCANdal

PS
For all of your Orange County needs... http://www.eastcoastscanning.com/viewforum.php?f=41

 

[ChrisMorrison]

I get Statflight on 463.075/468.075. This is not a repeater, just the base transmits on the lower frequency, the helicopters on the higher. They also transmit on an aircraft frequency in the 123.XXX range, helicopter to helicopter. I think 463.075 is a remote transmission tower located somewhere in the upper Hudson Valley, and Westchester is on 463.000. The base is weak and scratchy here, but I do hear them dispatching Air 1 and Air 2. Air 2 comes in loud and clear on 463.075 opperating out of Kobelt Airport. They are supposed to use 46.400 to communicate with the LZ's in Orange County, but they frequently use the County EMS with an RO of 153.860. For Ulster they are supposed to use 46.280 but may use 155.175. I guess for Sullivan it would be either 46.100 or 155.205.

The idea of the State Police having a private network is frightening. These days they seem to be mostly either running data on traffic stops or poaching on local police territory. How the mighty have fallen! Probably what they should be doing is supporting the local agencies, and there is nothing wrong with their current vhf-high band network. It is a help just to hear their broadcasts from Middletown (Troop, 155.535) and Poughkeepsie (State, 154.695).

Yes, I did hear the Beacon trunks from a mountain. I didn't even have much of an antenna! In Middletown, it depended on where I was. I switched on Beacon trunk, then switched to regular mode and fooled around until I got the best signal on the control frequency. Then I switched back to trunk mode and I was in business. The only problem wqas they kept adding frequencies to the Beacon trunk and I kept getting dropouts.

 

[ChrisMorrison]

As far as 453.8125 is concerned I have no problem with Crawford, but the audio quality is awful for the state police and worse for Orange 911 (Central). But when I get a new scanner I will probably try programming this frequency in LTR mode so I can just get the Town of Crawford and receive the state police and Central on the old VHF frequencies. I will also try to monitor the Beacon trunks so as to pick up the Town and Village of Montgomery and the Village of Maybrook, and the City of Newburgh. I will probably also have banks set aside for the times I am driving my boss from Modena to either Price-Chopper in Newburgh or in Poughkeepsie, though I wouldn't want to listen to TNewbugh, TNew Windsor, or TPoughkeepsie any other time. There is only so much radio traffic you can listen to without going crazy!

 

[SCANdal]

Why won't this urban legend go away?

I get Statflight on 463.075/468.075. This is not a repeater, just the base transmits on the lower frequency, the helicopters on the higher

Chris,

Are you confirming that you've, in fact, heard the helicopters on 468.075?

SCANdal

 

[ChrisMorrison]

Chris,

Are you confirming that you've, in fact, heard the helicopters on 468.075?

SCANdal

Yes. I have heard the helicopters on 468.075 and the dispatcher on 463.075. The first time I heard them the helo was flying out of a field less than a mile from Orange County Airport where they were based at that time and flying to Westchester. At that time Air 2 was on 468.000. Since then I have exclusively heard the helicopter on 468.075, but since I have stopped monitoring 463.075/468.000 as I thought they weren't used anymore. I am curious whether the dispatchers transmit from a south tower on 463.000 and a north tower on 463.075, with the same transmissions on both. This would insure that crews on the ground could hear the dispatcher no matter which airfield their helicopter was at, and the helicopters could use the 468 MHz frequencies to talk back. This also leaves the Sullivan County helicopter which is apparently dispatched by the same people, but I can't remember hearing it dispatched, although I think I have heard it on 468.075 although I'm not sure because the third helicopter I have heard on this network is not Air 3 but uses some other call-sign.

Chris

 

[ChrisMorrison]

An interesting thing happened this morning. I heard Crawford units calling each other on 154.665 and saying the town channel was down. Then one of them said, "go to the town high band channel, should be Channel 15 on the radio." I planned on checking the Crawford licenses to see which channel they were talking about, but the License data base is down so I will have to do this later.

Now -- can anybody go out and get a list of channels operated by Crawford?

Chris

 

[ChrisMorrison]

Chris,

Are you confirming that you've, in fact, heard the helicopters on 468.075?

SCANdal

Again an interesting conversation. Air 2 was taking a traumatic amputation of fingers to Westchester. Q: Why Westchester because St. Francis is closer? A: I heard them say only Westchester can do reattachments. Anyway dispatch was on 463.075, Air 2 on 468.075. D: Can you switch to Valhalla? They want you to contact them for a report. I believe Air 2 then switched and gave the report on 463.000 though I was in the library and didn't see the freqout until too late.

 

[ChrisMorrison]

Crawford PD high band frequency is 154.1075.

An interesting thing happened this morning. I heard Crawford units calling each other on 154.665 and saying the town channel was down. Then one of them said, "go to the town high band channel, should be Channel 15 on the radio." I planned on checking the Crawford licenses to see which channel they were talking about, but the License data base is down so I will have to do this later.

Now -- can anybody go out and get a list of channels operated by Crawford?

Chris

I programmed all four high band frequencies and finally heard one Crawford car calling another on 154.1075, which my scanner turns into 154.110, and referring to it as "Town High Band." So I have kept it and deleted the others. I have programmed 453.7375 and received a number of calls from Shawangunk, which I think shuts down their base at a certain time, although I did hear an erratic motorist call for southbound by Wallkill Prison on 208, which came over County. In Crawford they were having problems setting the alarm at headquarters this evening, and you could hear a beeping in the background.

By the way, does anybody hear a whining sound in the background when canine units are on the radio? My idea is that the dogs think that talk on the radio means some possible action, so they get excited.

ChrisMorrison

 

[DaveNF2G]

This also leaves the Sullivan County helicopter which is apparently dispatched by the same people, but I can't remember hearing it dispatched, although I think I have heard it on 468.075 although I'm not sure because the third helicopter I have heard on this network is not Air 3 but uses some other call-sign.

That would be LIFENET-75 from Catskill Regional Medical Center, dispatched by LifeComm. Their dispatch frequency is a current "most wanted" item.