NYS Thruway P25 Phase 2 Trunking System

[chrismol1]

Opensky Openroads 2.0 At least it's a strip roadway and change this time. Maybe some old timers at Harris can take a whack at it again to everyones satisfaction. I forgot the details of the first opensky but I know not everyone was happy

 

[GTR8000]

This system has nothing to do with OpenSky or anything that happened years ago with the SWN.

 

[jonsmth]

I have my money on the completion of a Thruway P25 system before the rest areas are finished. If you travel on the Thruway in NY and need a rest area, you will certainly understand my comment. 🤬

Yep, an empty Dunk's 20z cup becomes mighty handy when traveling on the Thru-Way!

 

[chrismol1]

This system has nothing to do with OpenSky or anything that happened years ago with the SWN.

I'm so bad at quoting previous posts as mentioned at the start, thats the joke, if its going to Harris as a previous poster mentioned, If the old crew who worked at m/a/tyco opensky then now Harris are able to build out a system again working on this NYS thruway wide system they would be able to "resume" their work on doing a statewide/state road old NYS system job not that it still has anything to do with old opensky technology from 20 yrs ago

 

[Com-Tech51H8]

I'm so bad at quoting previous posts as mentioned at the start, thats the joke, if its going to Harris as a previous poster mentioned, If the old crew who worked at m/a/tyco opensky then now Harris are able to build out a system again working on this NYS thruway wide system they would be able to "resume" their work on doing a statewide/state road old NYS system job not that it still has anything to do with old opensky technology from 20 yrs ago

NYSP would have been the major player for that but ma/com failed horribly at each production benchmark test, that this system was a pipe dream

 

[IFRIED91]

opensky was never even technnically intended to be used in public safety. it was for fedex and nationwide commerce like how nextel in a way

 

[IFRIED91]

when politicians decide to "help out companies" ehh not going to get into any further... but we all know the outcome

 

[Trbogeek]

For any real, granular (small community) participation, and being able to take advantage of what a trunk system brings to the table, which of four possible vendors is the state working with? I'm assuming MOTO, but thats a heavy lift for them as well. POC would be another SWN, in the end, as it's not reliable in metropolitan ares, much less rural.

 

[AuntEnvy]

The MTA's attempt to recruit municipal agencies is an absurdity that I won't get into here, but suffice to say that any agency who joins that system without performing thorough RF coverage tests is out of their minds, especially if they're buying the "LTE coverage" BS that the MTA is peddling.

I suspect that the Thruway Authority has been planning this system for years independent of anything anyone else is doing, which is their M.O. The current UHF multi-cast system, while ahead of its time 40 years ago, is showing its age. I suspect that they finally want to get Troop T's comms separated from all the maintenance and tow truck crap, and a TDMA system is one way to accomplish that.

I never understood why NYSP shared their comms/radio use with maintenance services. I can't believe they even allowed such a thing. I can understand the "theory" behind it but there should have been a separate channel for shared use.

 

[GTR8000]

I never understood why NYSP shared their comms/radio use with maintenance services. I can't believe they even allowed such a thing. I can understand the "theory" behind it but there should have been a separate channel for shared use.

Troop T is contracted by the NYSTA to provide police protection on their roadways exclusively, and therefore they operate however the NYSTA sees fit in certain aspects. The Thruway channels are not NYSP channels, and so the State Police doesn't decide what is or isn't "allowed" on them.

 

[AuntEnvy]

Understood. However, NYSP can (or could) decide whatever communication policy/procedure they prefer, thus "allowing" said usage to occur from the beginning. The fact that they didn't forsee an issue during their contract may or may not have been an oversight.

 

[GTR8000]

You're assuming that the State Police are against mixed-usage on the Thruway channels. Maybe it's really not that big a deal to them. Maybe they find some value in being able to hear maintenance and tows responding to their location, rather than having to ask for ETA's constantly.

I was merely suggesting that perhaps the Thruway themselves wish to segregate the traffic going forward.

Incidentally, a lot of the maintenance chatter has already been moved to localized repeaters.

 

[AuntEnvy]

Wasn't part of your initial assertion saying the same thing about getting away from that constant radio traffic.?
I can't imagine having to wait for a pothole or deer carcass crew to stop talking during an emergency is something they would enjoy. 😉

 

[IFRIED91]

Wasn't part of your initial assertion saying the same thing about getting away from that constant radio traffic.?
I can't imagine having to wait for a pothole or deer carcass crew to stop talking during an emergency is something they would enjoy. 😉

Lmao deer carcus? U mean hamburger

 

[IFRIED91]

On a side note… I finally set up the thruway as a voted scan system on my APX… I must say it makes a tremendous difference both on ears and channel knob so you’re not constantly voting yourself flipping to find the better candidate for fidelity

 

[AuntEnvy]

Lmao deer carcus? U mean hamburger

Ew. Yeah. Ouch. 😬

 

[IFRIED91]

Understood. However, NYSP can (or could) decide whatever communication policy/procedure they prefer, thus "allowing" said usage to occur from the beginning. The fact that they didn't forsee an issue during their contract may or may not have been an oversight.

Hey they do have APX7000 Portables on the NYSTA (yeah huge ones with the extended battery)… not sure which bandsplit exactly.. obviously either UHF1 or 2 but unsure what’s their secondary band being VHF or 7/800mhz…. I am one of the extremely lucky ones to have found an APX7000XE in UHF2/VHF band split which a friend sold to me… this split is essentially non existent anywhere ESPECIALLY from anyone living in the nyc area

 

[GTR8000]

I am one of the extremely lucky ones to have found an APX7000XE in UHF2/VHF band split which a friend sold to me… this split is essentially non existent anywhere ESPECIALLY from anyone living in the nyc area

The VHF/UHF R2 7000 is not that rare in the NYC metro area. They were actually fairly popular before everyone built out 700/800 systems, since basically everyone was on either VHF or T-Band in the area. XE housing/top is always less common than the standard model, but that's unrelated to the band splits.

 

[chrismol1]

Is there a lot of radio traffic for the thruway? My tax money is being spent on a 500 mile 2 lane road system that will see how much utilization? NYS made a big deal of cellular along major highways, how about a nice APX Next? I know it sounds grumpy

 

[Thunderknight]

Is there a lot of radio traffic for the thruway? My tax money is being spent on a 500 mile 2 lane road system that will see how much utilization?

Your tax dollars are not paying for it. The Thruway is self funded by the tolls. if you aren’t driving it, you aren’t paying for it.