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996T Version?

This is the unit I just purchased:

s/n: 335 260 640 027 04
firmware ver: 1.02.01

Anyone know how to interpret the s/n for mfg date, unit number, etc?

Also is there a newer firmware version? [EDIT: just learned there is no later version at this time]

Thanks!
 
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scanner_freak said:
This was answered in your first thread:wink: , 250 talkgroups total, 20 groups, doesn't matter how many in a group as long as you dont go over 250 total..

I love the radio except for the 250TG limit per system. Being in NC and using this radio for Search and Rescue, I travel all over the state and it would be nice to have all of the VIPER TalkGroups programmed in. Looks like I'm going to have to put the system in twice unfortunately.
 

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dbrown2 said:
Waiting on my Scanner UPS says tomorrow.. I downloaded the UASD soaftware and wanted to know if there is way to import data from radiorefernce.com web service or CSV?

If it will import csv I could write something to parse the xml web service from RR to create a csv (unless that program is already written)

I haven't figured that out either so what I do is create a spreadsheet. In the spreadsheet I have all the parameters for the groups that I want. for instance, I'll have the talkgroup ID and the talkgroup name etc etc. I will insert however many channels I need in the group, and then I will "copy" all of the rows from the spreadsheet and past them in the top row of each channel group; like when I put in the TG Id's, I will paste those once, then I'll go back and paste the names. It took about 10 minutes to set that up but it's better than adding 250 id's and names one by one.
 

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Antenna for GPS18 PC

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Sure have, but the Garmin GPS18 PC OEM, ($83 bucks at Amazon.com), is PLUG-AND-PLAY with the Uniden 996T. Why put extra hardware in the radio when you can use this? You would still need an external antenna.

Does the GPS 18 PC OEM have built-in antenna. If not, how do you connect an external antenna to this device. I looked at the Garmin Web site, it made no mention that an external antenna was necessary. Your comment that "You would still need an external antenna" has me confused. What am I missing?
 

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The GPS 18 is designed to be used as its own antenna. You'd put the device on the roof of the vehicle or in the corner of a window (I'm hoping to get mine to work tucked into the lower right corner of my windshield) and the cable simply goes to the 12V power point and the serial port of the device (scanner).

I think the "you'd need an external antenna" comment stems from the idea of putting the GPS 18 inside the scanner as an in-built piece... the receiver needs to "see" the satellites, so you wouldn't have very good reception.
 

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NORCAL said:
Does the GPS 18 PC OEM have built-in antenna. If not, how do you connect an external antenna to this device.

Yes, the antenna is in the puck.

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I looked at the Garmin Web site, it made no mention that an external antenna was necessary. Your comment that "You would still need an external antenna" has me confused. What am I missing?

If you were to install a GPS board in the 996, you would still need an external antenna to receive GPS.
 

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I was asked today to program a BCD996T today, and this my first experience with this new unit, that it does NOT have a priority function when in "trunking mode" or am I missing something. I have looked several times thru the docs and can not find anyting related to priority in trunking mode. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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You cannot have priority in trunking mode, you'd need two receivers to know if another talkgroup was being received.
 

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The fire dispatch TG I am monitoring is part of the San Diego County RCS system (shown as a Motorola Smart Zone implementation).

Do all fire stations monitoring this TG hear all dispatches, or just the ones for their station?

If each individual station hears only their own dispatches, is there a way the BCD 996T can be set to hear only the station(s) of interest, as well?

Thanks!
 

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Lockout Limit

I seem to recall that there is a limited number of lockouts for the BC996. I think it is 250 temporary and another 250 permanent. Anyway, how does the 996 respond when you exceed say the 250 permanent lockouts? Does it simply unlock another channel or does it give a message stating that the number of lockouts has been met?
 

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I played with this a little bit further and read the wiki a little bit closer. It appears as if the limit is on the search mode, not on the scanning channels.
 

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new 996t

i just got the new 996t having a little trouble when it stops on a transmission there's break in it then it resumes again. so i miss a bit of the transmission. does anybody know how to fix this little issue. thanks












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scanman9 said:
i just got the new 996t having a little trouble when it stops on a transmission there's break in it then it resumes again. so i miss a bit of the transmission. does anybody know how to fix this little issue. thanks

1. Close Call
2. Weather Search
3. Priority

One of those is enabled. Check the thread - I think someone else posted about it a while back.
 

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nydxa said:
Guys, I have a question that I'm certain has been considered by many.
Currently, is there any easy method for importing data from a 796D "mem" file into the 996? I'm using Uniden's software that seems pretty capable once you get used to it. Is there a hidden import feature?

Thanks

I don't think you can do it using Uniden's supplied software. I can tell you how to do it using Butel's ARC250 software for the 796D and ARC996T software for the 996T. Load ARC250 and ARC996T. In ARC996T create a system,site and group file and name each. Minimize ARC996T. In ARC250 open the desired .mem file. Highlight the desired data, i.e., frequencies or talkgroups and select "Copy". Minimize ARC250. Select ARC996T and the appropriate level file just created. Select the first position in the appropriate file window, right click on the mouse and select "Paste". Then save the 996T system file. It's easy, fast and it works.

The 796D and 996T file formats are not compatible because the 996T uses dynamic frequency allocation.
 

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996T Sloooow Scan/796D-996T Observations

I like my 996T and wish to keep it. It is a powerful fine scanner and I like its many features. I also have a 796D I like and also wish to keep. I use the ARC250 and ARC996T software for scanner files management. I have pre-amped tower mounted antennas and enjoy great ground wave coverage. I live in central Virginia. For some background..always the pioneer Virginia decided their present state police analog high band repeater and other govt. (i.e., forestry, game wardens, etc.) radio systems no longer were worthy and selected Motorola to bring them 21st Century communications. The Motorola solution was to install an APCO25 Smartzone vhf trs...yes, a vhf trs called "STARS". Only Alaska and possibly a couple of other states, if at all, have anything operational that are remotely close. The plan was to use existing state police repeater sites and add microwave links, TI lines, etc. for interoperability comms with selected cities, counties and all mandated state radio users and some present non-radio users....everything for everybody. It worked fine on paper and reality is some state entities (i.e., VDOT) backed out leaving STARS mostly as a state police radio system upgrade with about 20 other small volume state govt. users. After installation began, Motorola realized there were not enough current licensed 158-159 mhz. high vhf frequency allocations for STARS. Va. made an emergency license authorization request to the FCC for some additional 151-152 mhz. frequencies which was approved. About 1/2 of the Division 1 STARS first installation phase has been completed with 9 operational STARS sites. Presently VSP is simulcasting comms. on their two vhf analog repeaters with STARS so I have an instant comm. reception comparsion with one exception. I experience solid reception of 4 of the 9 STARS repeater sites. The STARS P25 audio signals are excellent except when the mobile doesn't fully access the repeater and the system ground wave coverage is very impressive. I recognize I will not be able to hear every STARS talkgroup due to various talkgroup/site affiliations.

Due to control channel incompatibity issues the 796D cannot properly track STARS in the trunked scan mode. It will receive the P25 transmissions fine in the conventional scan mode and decode them but the dispatcher/mobile comms are hit and miss depending on where the 796D stops in the scan cycle. The Pro96, 2096 and Uniden 396T and 996T are the only scanners proven so far to receive the STARS trs. I decided to get the 996T for obvious scanner feature reasons. Not wanting to have a bad programing experience like I did with the 796D using the Uniden supplied software...ugh!, I purchased the Butel ARC250 and then ARC996T. They are worth every penny of their reasonable cost for the ease of files management afforded. The first thing I did with the 996T was to delete all those 500+ preloaded trs that were using 94% of the scanner's memory. I create my own scanner files. The 996T MUST be programed as a "Motorola APCO25" option for it to properly scan the vhf STARS trs. A Motorola vhf type 2 option that requires bandplan entries cannot be used because STARS requires 6 bandplan table entries but the 796D and 996T allow only a maximum of 3 entries.

From initial reception I noticed the 996T was missing some comms I was hearing on the two simulcasted vhf analog repeaters. I tried changing various hold times even removing all trunked frequencies except the primary and alternate control channels. Currently 90% of all STARS talkgroups are repeated through the Richmond STARS site. I programed only one system file, one site level file and one talkgroup file and no quick key. With that system file being the only one loaded and scanning in the 996T it still missed some comms I should be hearing. Signal strength is not a problem. Watching the scan display (Mode 2) it seems the scanner is slow sometimes to lock onto a talkgroup. Other times when there is an analog repeater transmission the 996T misses the STARS simulcast totally. Other times it might pick part of a P25 transmission before the conversation ends. With only a few possible exceptions all mobiles inputs are repeated through the repeaters at initial call in. Usually if there is a scanner programing problem it is me doing wrong or failing to do something I should. The slow scan speed as expected is noticeably slower when in the ID search mode.

My 996T is performing as designed. I have concluded that's the way Uniden designed it and made it and live with it. There's nothing that can be done until possibly a 997T model with a faster microprocessor model is marketed. Please do not tell me my 966T scanner settings are incorrect. They are not. Close call and Wx are off. No hold times are above zero. Only one "barebones" system file with one site file are loaded with two control channel frequencies and selected for id scanning. I don't understand why Uniden used such a relatively slow microprocessor compared to other scanners with faster scan speeds. I guess it all bottom lines to a dollar sign. But now I always have the feeling I am missing some comms whether or not I actually am. Radio Shack digital scanners don't seem to have the problems Uniden scanners do with digital trs.

I have a few 796D/996T comparison observations that may be of interest. My 796D is more sensitive than my 996T. For example, using the same antenna system there are 2 additional STARS repeater sites that are below threshold on the 996T that the 796D locks on and decodes P25 comms. immediately in a conventional scan. The 996T does not detect them. Unfortunately the 796D is not selective and therefore suspectible to RF intermod primary from the 158.7000 mhz. paging and occasionally FMI and TVI. Conversely using the same antenna system the 996T is not bothered by these same signals. I have experienced only two 996T RFI situations that were not "killers". Other than that the 996T appears basically RFI "bulletproof". From visual observations I suspect but cannot prove that the 796D scan cycle is faster than the 996T. In my opinion, in the 996T some sensitivity was sacrificed for better selectivity and RF intermod reduction/rejection.

Maybe it is my imagination but I would swear the 800 mhz. trs scan faster than the STARS vhf trs on the 996T. Vhf and Uhf trs don't get the attention/documentation 800 mhz. trs do because vhf trs are smaller in number having "uniques" compared to 800 mhz. "standard" trs.

Last week I experienced much frustration during several days attempting to program the 996T's Search and Store feature for a system file. A 996T system level file requires minimally one site level file be created. Using the same previously discussed STARS file, whenever I made the necessary console entries, "Search For" and "Search and Store", aftering selecting the site file I received the "over limit" message. Per the manual this means the 256 maximum talkgroup number has been exceeded. After rereading the owner's manual many times and exhausting all various programing options I called Uniden Tech help. The tech was very helpful but after 1.5 hours on the phone testing on his 996T, he kept getting the same error message I got. He researched it and later informed me to change the maximum value to "255". I did and S&S feature worked fine. "256" for a maximum talkgroup default value is correct for Close Call but not for a system file S&S. S&S is expecting only one file level. However, by having to select the site level file this is interpreted by the scanner as entering talkgroup number 257 which is a no no. In my opinion this is a Uniden scanner design error or failure to document the two maximum talkgroup differences in the owner's manual. Additionally, subsequently reading Uniden group posts other users previously had experienced the same problem. Uniden techs should have had access to either a "known problems" log or "lessons learned" reference. I never thought to question the validity of the owner's manual's instructions or default values. Why should I? These problems should have been identified in beta testing. Minimally tech help should know about known scanner problems.
 

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W4UVV said:
The 996T MUST be programed as a "Motorola APCO25" option for it to properly scan the vhf STARS trs. A Motorola vhf type 2 option that requires bandplan entries cannot be used because STARS requires 6 bandplan table entries but the 796D and 996T allow only a maximum of 3 entries.
In reality, you shouldn't need to program the Tables at all (on P25 systems). The way the GRE's work, it requires you to enter the tables to make it work properly. The Unidens "extract" the tables used automatically from the control channel data stream like it should be. And in P25 systems (with the exception of a few out there), regardless of frequency band, the control channel format is the same, hence why you should only need to select "P25" during the Uniden setup.

My 996T is performing as designed. I have concluded that's the way Uniden designed it and made it and live with it. There's nothing that can be done until possibly a 997T model with a faster microprocessor model is marketed.
I'm almost sure you're experiencing the same problem I am now on our ALMR (AK) system. A few months ago it was discovered that your STARS systems uses a Multi-Packet data stream. That even affected how the Pro96Com software worked and Mike V. had to update his program to better track it (but not to the fullest unfortunately), again due to that Multi-Packet stream that even the Pro-96 doesn't support on the mode you need to put it on to run that program.

Just a few weeks ago, our system was upgraded to a newer infrastructure version and also started using the Multi-Packets and of course, my BCD396T won't track the system properly anymore along with not showing the SysId in some sites, etc.

Either way, it seems that Uniden is aware of the issue and trying to figure it out as we speak....

Maybe it is my imagination but I would swear the 800 mhz. trs scan faster than the STARS vhf trs on the 996T. Vhf and Uhf trs don't get the attention/documentation 800 mhz. trs do because vhf trs are smaller in number having "uniques" compared to 800 mhz. "standard" trs.
I think in this case it has to do more with the type of system (P25 Multi-Packets stream) than with the frequency band used. It also has to do with our (scanner) technology playing catch-up or keep-up with their (Public Safety) technology. The "cat and mouse" analogy....
 
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kikito said:
In reality, you shouldn't need to program the Tables at all (on P25 systems). The way the GRE's work, it requires you to enter the tables to make it work properly. The Unidens "extract" the tables used automatically from the control channel data stream like it should be. And in P25 systems (with the exception of a few out there), regardless of frequency band, the control channel format is the same, hence why you should only need to select "P25" during the Uniden setup.


I'm almost sure you're experiencing the same problem I am now on our ALMR (AK) system. A few months ago it was discovered that your STARS systems uses a Multi-Packet data stream. That even affected how the Pro96Com software worked and Mike V. had to update his program to better track it (but not to the fullest unfortunately), again due to that Multi-Packet stream that even the Pro-96 doesn't support on the mode you need to put it on to run that program.

Just a few weeks ago, our system was upgraded to a newer infrastructure version and also started using the Multi-Packets and of course, my BCD396T won't track the system properly anymore along with not showing the SysId in some sites, etc.

Either way, it seems that Uniden is aware of the issue and trying to figure it out as we speak....


I think in this case it has to do more with the type of system (P25 Multi-Packets stream) than with the frequency band used. It also has to do with our (scanner) technology playing catch-up or keep-up with their (Public Safety) technology. The "cat and mouse" analogy....


You are correct. Last fall when STARS began installations I and some other locals spent 4 months trying to get the 796D to properly track STARS in the trunked mode before concluding it could not be done. The Pro96 local guys had some successes but also had some setbacks. As you know vhf bandplan table entries had to be made using the 796D as it had no "MotorolaAPC025" trunked scan option. Thankfully, this feature was incorporated in the 996T and is what allows proper STARS trunked scanning. The 996T software creates the correct trs bandplan table entries from the control channel information. I confirmed this recently with a person successfully receiving STARS using the 396T and both scanner bandplan table entries matched 100%.

Presently two State Police vhf analog repeaters simulcasting are controlled from Richmond. The 158.9850 mhz. repeater covers the Northern Neck of Va. and is STARS ch. 3. The 159.0000 mhz. repeater covers most of central Va. and is STARS ch. 1. For some unknown reason(s) I notice that more missed comms seem to be from the 158.9850 mhz. repeater comms. It certainly makes sense missed comms are related to multi-packet data streams and scanner control channel data processing issues even though sometimes only the 158.985 mhz. repeater is active. The slow signal acquistion sometimes is bad enough but when the 996T never detects the simulcasted analog transmission that really is frustrating.

STARS is an extremely complicated and sophisticated P25 trs and as you state the crux of the reception problems are related to technology differences. I guess we are "victims" of state of the art trs technology. I don't hold out much hope that Uniden or GRE will respond in the near future with a firmware or software upgrade or even a new digital scanner model to deal with these vhf P25 trs uniques due to the fact there are so few of them currently in existence. I believe several states have plans to install vhf P25 trs so manufacturers will have to deal with these technical unique trs processing issues sooner or later. I hope it's sooner. Maybe Uniden will add another user trunked scan option called "MotorolaAPCO25MP" for multi-packet trs.
 

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Jay i tried what you recommend turning off close call/ priority/weather search.And it did Did not work. i searched the post and found nothing on this topic. maybe upman can help me.

i just got the new 996t having a little trouble when it stops on frequencie there's break in it then it resumes again. so i miss a bit of the transmission. does anybody know how to fix this little issue. thanks
thanks once again
 
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