Orange County CCCS P25 Update

[RWPowell2]

is "5B" still the TGID for OCFA dispatch and if so is it still "E" and why isn't it in the DB?

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In 1992 when OCFA joined the 800MHz Smart Zone System, 4B was the north county dispatch and 5B was the south county dispatch talk group. Sometime after the CAD System was installed (can't recall the date), the EOC switched to “batch dispatching” instead of real time dispatching. They abandoned 5B and only used 4B, but they called it 5B for some unknown reason even though in was the 4B talk group.

 

[brendan3]

Ok I made a database submission to have 5B noted to 4B.

 

[Mikek]

In 1992 when OCFA joined the 800MHz Smart Zone System, 4B was the north county dispatch and 5B was the south county dispatch talk group. Sometime after the CAD System was installed (can't recall the date), the EOC switched to “batch dispatching” instead of real time dispatching. They abandoned 5B and only used 4B, but they called it 5B for some unknown reason even though in was the 4B talk group.

I understood that there were never two separate talk groups for north/south dispatch. 4B and 5B both carried the same traffic (Countywide dispatch). This allowed access to dispatch from both of the OCFA zones without needing to switch zones, and did not require a field unit to change zones during transition from initial dispatch (ex: 4B) to response (ex: 5E). I am sure that there's still a 4 and 5B in the radios today. I'll try to confirm...

 

[WX4JCW]

OCComms could care less what subscribers want, they will do whatever a subscriber agency wants - as long as the subs are willing to foot the bill. The Sheriff doesn't care, nor do the Assistant Sheriff, The Area Commanders, et. al.

WHY does every decision about encryption have to be some nefarious thing to personally hurt YOU? You stand up and do the right thing and engage the Chiefs in a professional manner, then come here to imply in your postings they are somehow deep actors, purposefully endangering lives with encryption, and your obvious hopefulness of someone being injured or killed so you can blame encrypton, merely to say "I told you so".

That's where everything you write about encryption seems to go off the rails, the never ending "dark state has something to hide" implications.

RACES is mostly useless, with a long list of members with inflated egos - in fact a RACES member offered to come to my home and beat me up when I laughed at him for designating himself a "first responder"

It goes off the rails because people know its 100% political

 

[monitor142]

I understood that there were never two separate talk groups for north/south dispatch. 4B and 5B both carried the same traffic (Countywide dispatch). This allowed access to dispatch from both of the OCFA zones without needing to switch zones, and did not require a field unit to change zones during transition from initial dispatch (ex: 4B) to response (ex: 5E). I am sure that there's still a 4 and 5B in the radios today. I'll try to confirm...

You are correct. 4B and 5B are the same talkgroup ID. Just makes it easier for those in Zone 4 to switch to Bravo, the same as Zone 5 users.

 

[brendan3]

Been updated in the database to reflect that. Thanks

 

[RWPowell2]

It goes off the rails because people know its 100% political

You got right to the heart of the problems with the OC “political”. Politics account for a many of the changes, both negative and positive. Starting in the '70s, the OC made a big change from a rural/suburban community to a more densely populated metropolis. This large growth in a short time frame created problems for county government to keep up with the development. The 1994 Bankruptcy caused more restrictions, when many of the public building became harder for citizens to access. The Board of Supervisors closed door meetings increased along with some of city council meetings.

Things got worst when Mike Corona became sheriff. The media had a pet nickname for Sheriff Corona, “The Sheriff of Nottingham”, due to his passion for formalities. When the Board of Supervisors moved OC Communications into the General Services Department the sheriff managed to get it back as a branch of the Office of Sheriff (not sure how that was done). Many of the rural counties in California do have their communications departments within the sheriff's office. However, in most of the larger metropolitan counties the communication department is within General Services. The sheriff's office is a customer of OCC. How many customers do you know that get to run the store?

 

[Mikek]

Been out of the loop for a minute - but have been hearing encrypted P25 traffic on the Tan Catalina repeater today. Anyone know if the county has converted the stand-alone CCCS repeaters to P25?

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

please delete. Mistaken post

 

[Markb]

Were you able to get a NAC?

 

[Mikek]

Hey Mark,

Not at the time. I'll throw a scanner on the channel and see if I can get one.

 

[redneckcellphone]

Anyone else hearing someone key the analog frequencies of Fire oc, oc uhf? Noticed it all day and still going on.

 

[Randyk4661]

I heard yesterday control 1 ask for the person trying to talk on OC access UHF to identify, there was no response.

 

[Markb]

Well, considering how many police departments, fire departments, school districts and other allied agencies have these channels in their radios; not to mention all of the clowns rolling around with their $30 Boofwhangs, we shouldn't be surprised.


This is one reason why system keys exist!

 

[AM909]

Same thing's been happening with OC's MED-9 repeaters for some time now, possibly from some intermod that happens to have the right tone on it. Of course, if it's a prankster, congrats – you've now got recognition.

 

[Randyk4661]

Could be pirates looking for unused repeaters for communications for smuggling.
What could be better than running simplex on a repeater out that no one listens to using a different tone of course.

 

[ki6qfi]

the issue was the microwave link between the ortega site and the san clemente site on the mutual aid channels, there's a ton of trees in the path and the property owners refuse to trim them down so when the winds were blowing the trees around so badly it was causing the microwave link to bound like crazy therefore causing the key ups on those conventional repeaters. the conventional repeater sites in this county are simulcast and voted.

 

[speedway_navigator]

the issue was the microwave link between the ortega site and the san clemente site on the mutual aid channels,

One county I worked with had a building ordinance that prevented new construction from blocking microwave paths, I can't remember if it was only public safety paths or any of them.