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DaveNF2G
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Sounds like Orange County needs a new person in charge of communications. I know, the current person is probably well connected and unlikely to go anywhere, but we can dream.
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APX8000
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Comspec333 said:
Signal-Zero said:
Still want to take my bet? I'll even give you a 2 to 1 now on 4th Q 2019....
Another request for extension time....see the waiver attachment....
ULS Application - Trunked Public Safety 700 MHz - 0007925982 - ORANGE, COUNTY OF - Administration
APX8000
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Crickets.....
I'd be interested in the County's response to a FOIL request...I think their definition of "installed" might differ from mine.
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I'd be interested in the County's response to a FOIL request...I think their definition of "installed" might differ from mine.
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APX8000
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On another Orange 911 note...I just recently had the opportunity to listen to some audio from the shooting in Maybrook...all I can say is thank God for the dispatcher in NEW WINDSOR who basically took over the call from 911 to get the ALS intercept. The County dispatcher was completely lost, had the wrong hospital, and was a complete mess.
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Mbk127k
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I was just browsing back and saw your comment that I didn't see. I use to belong to EMStar which was the first to switch over to the one voice system as an Commercial EMS agency, believe MLSS followed suit a year or so after and then Rockland Mobile Care from my understanding was trialing it and believe they switched over. The dispatch center at EMStar only had a mobile radio in communications where goosetown somehow made a y connection so both dispatchers working the desk had a desk Mic. Not sure how that would work with MLSS and EMStar using their own talkgroup on the new county system due to the fact that the one voice system fits them right as a lot of the units do transports to and from Connecticut, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Albany, NY which still have access to One Voice system, it's not bad to be able to communicate with dispatch from a distance away. I know before I left that they were also transitioning to a GPS locator on the radio for keeping track of units which sucks when you have a bit of down time after a long distance transport and you want to grab something to eat or stop to see something.
But I definitely do get what you mean and it could work. I am sure there is a way that you could tie in the one voice talkgroup to the 700/800mhz system talkgroup which to be honest would alleviate expenditure of buying new radios just to talk to Orange 911. Not to mention it's not like your able to transmit unauthorized transmissions on it as it's like the county system with subscribers for the system so that being said it's more secured then a analog channel for linking two different systems to a talk group.
I liked the one voice system, again one thing that EMStar should have done or could of done was link a talkgroup to Orange 911 EMS channel as some of the areas we responded from had poor reception for the county channel.
When working EMStar I work the Westchester station a lot and we did a lot of mutual aid ALS calls in Westchester and never once used the VTac / U-Tac channels, who knows if agencies even have them besides I know Peekskill EMS did in their radios.
We had Westchester / Putnam frequencies in the Onevoice radios so we switched zones to analog channels to contact 60 control or Putnam 911 but never used VTac or UTac channels ever and they are in both VHF/UHF radios they had in the ambulance.
Also one thing that reminds me who knows if other departments in other counties have V/U-Tac channels. The FD I belong to did a 72 hour deployment up to Herkimer County a few years back after bad flooding. The Mohawk FD chief asked us how could he and his department could get a hold of us if they needed us or vice versa and we stated we have U-Tac channels and our Chiefs and Mini Rescue has V/U-Tac channels that we could use and his response was "what channels?, what is that?". They operated on VHF as well. That is why me, my opinion I am a be skeptical that surrounding county departments have them in their radios as this department we went mutual aid to had no clue what they were.
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Been reading all the thread for a while and would like to thank all posters for keeping it updated. I see all the frequencies for the new Orange County System are listed on the ULS. Would it be worthwhile to program them into my radio? Is there any traffic, like test transmissions?
Thanks
Mike
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Mike
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DaveNF2G
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As a monitor in the Albany area, I enjoy listening when the MLSS groups light up for a while on the Pinnacle site.
Which brings up a question. Have MLSS abandoned their VHF frequencies completely?
Which brings up a question. Have MLSS abandoned their VHF frequencies completely?
No, 155.385 is back up, and 155.295 is still used at some events.
Mbk127k
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This is just a question but isn't OC 911 using 155.385 for paging the Middletown Units for calls in Town of Wallkill, last i heard that's it was used for but again that's hear say.
Dave, are you talking about the OneVoice Network for the Pinnacle Site?.
I have had the same question as Mike, would it be worth it to put in my 536 to see if they are doing any tests.
radioman2001
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In respect to U and V Tac channels, I have found most agencies don't have them and wouldn't know what they were even if they did have them. About 2 years ago we did a live drill of a train vs car, in the after action debriefing I brought up about using the U and V Tac channels for coordination between FD's, Ambulance Corps, and on scene command. You should have seen all the hands go up to ask what they were. Most agencies did not have them programmed into their radios, the result was a lot of back and forth with the FD/EMS dispatcher for directions. Not very comforting.
The only agency that knew about them and actually used them were MTAPD and Putnam Sheriffs. The State Police were brought on board after arriving due to a very knowledgeable MTAPD LT.
The only agency that knew about them and actually used them were MTAPD and Putnam Sheriffs. The State Police were brought on board after arriving due to a very knowledgeable MTAPD LT.
APX8000
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MLSS is on the OneVoice System. I haven’t heard of them using their old VHF frequencies except as back-up. 155.385 on Beacon was the only one linked via landline. The rest (Meadow Hill which was used if the tie line went down, Circleville, Schunnemunk, New Paltz and Kingston) were done via UHF 463/468 RF links. I believe the only ones that may be left up now are Beacon and Circleville, but I’d have to reach out to a contact. When they switched to Goosetown’s PassPort system after the move to their new HQ on 9W, they pretty much removed all the UHF equipment for the links. So I don’t even know if Circleville is still up as that is what they would be using for Middletown if using .385. They may have a system set up like how Ulster County used to tone them out. Radio trips in Dispatch and then they come up on their system and dispatch them. Maybe Orange is toning them over 385 but MLSS has a CAD in dispatch for Orange where the call is input so I don’t see why.
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Beacon is still there and plugged in.
Mbk127k
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I was only stating hear say only that OC911 was dispatching Middletown MLSS units in Town of Wallkill with collaboration with the the whole Wallkill AVL debacle. But again that was hearsay from what I heard, I should input that frequency in the my scanner and see if I can hear anything. I know already that MLSS uses Onevoice System.
Besides that.
Anyone in Orange County been getting Wantage, NJ FD on 154.310?. Was just hearing the Mechanicstown call at the AMC and Middletown had Engine 4 mutual aid to Mechanicstown and while that was going on towards the end of the incident i could hear units identify Wantage, NJ FD unit 620 and other Wantage units responding to a MVA. Anyone else been hearing them on 154.310. I know their frequency on the FCC is 154.3175 and curious to know the wattage coming out of that repeater as they are so much clearer and stepping over Middletown on my scanner.
Where in Oc are you located? If you're in the south western part of the county picking up Wantage is a real possibility. They have 1 pretty good transmitter site and I wouldn't be surprised if you can pick them up in parts of Oc. 154.317 is their fire operations channel, and the site is actually located in Vernon township, near lake wallkill.
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There allowed 60 watts ERP from there repeater. if you look at there transmission map from the FCC you'll see it runs in to New Yawk state >>> ULS License - Public Safety Pool, Conventional License - WQVJ274 - WANTAGE, TOWNSHIP OF - Locations Summary
APX8000
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Some repeaters just “get out.” I used to joke because I can hear the Pike County Fire repeater (which is just over the line on the top of Greenville mountain) clear as day on a portable scanner in New Windsor, on the eastern side of the County. Yet, local Orange County repeater channels from the west side of the County are hard to hear on the same scanner.
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If I'm not mistaken, pike county's repeater is located on the Orange and Rockland tower off of Greenville turnpike. I always thought their signal was directional.
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APX8000
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I just looked at their license in the database (WNHQ590) and it is off Greenville Turnpike...looks like it sits on top of some mountain or hill between High Point and Huckleberry Ridge if that’s where O&R’s tower is. There is no way that think is directional...it does look like a straight shot across Orange to New Windsor but I couldn’t be get that kind of signal off the back end of the antenna. I’m thinking it’s omni directional.
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