P-106 Am I missing Something?

[beeeno]

Here's whats happening: Turn on Pro96 and P106, picks up TG fine. 106 is quiet. If I hit manual then scan it starts picking up fine. I am programming with Win500. Am I doing something wrong or is it something else. Monitoring the Chattanooga, TN Hamilton County Public Safely System. Any help appreciated.

Been messing with the Multi-Site mode and if I put it on stationary it seems to solve the problem. Would I need to set it to multi and tweek my threshold levels? I do carry it with me often. This is just a thought, as I am still trying to grasp this thing.

 

[kb8rvp]

I live in Michigan so I don't know anything about system you are programming. Is it a simulcast system? The multi site setting is not really for a simulcast system but for entering multi sites with different control freq.’s so when you are diving the scanner will change to a new control channel if the freq changes. If it is a simulcast system the control channel freq stays the same on multi towers so you would not want the multi site setting on. Also when you program a system are you putting in all the control channels for a tower location or just the main control channel (or data channel)? All you really need is the main control channel (or data channel) and maybe the backup if you know it. You may want to try setting the multi site option to stat or off to see if it corrects you problem.

Mike

 

[kb8rvp]

I live in Michigan so I don't know anything about system you are programming. Is it a simulcast system? The multi site setting is not really for a simulcast system but for entering multi sites with different control freq.’s so when you are diving the scanner will change to a new control channel if the freq changes. If it is a simulcast system the control channel freq stays the same on multi towers so you would not want the multi site setting on. Also when you program a system are you putting in all the control channels for a tower location or just the main control channel (or data channel)? All you really need is the main control channel (or data channel) and maybe the backup if you know it. You may want to try setting the multi site option to stat or off to see if it corrects you problem.

Mike

 

[beeeno]

I live in Michigan so I don't know anything about system you are programming. Is it a simulcast system? The multi site setting is not really for a simulcast system but for entering multi sites with different control freq.’s so when you are diving the scanner will change to a new control channel if the freq changes. If it is a simulcast system the control channel freq stays the same on multi towers so you would not want the multi site setting on. Also when you program a system are you putting in all the control channels for a tower location or just the main control channel (or data channel)? All you really need is the main control channel (or data channel) and maybe the backup if you know it. You may want to try setting the multi site option to stat or off to see if it corrects you problem.

Mike

It is a simulcast system, however my county is a sub-site of the simulcast. The tower I get the best reception off of is the sub-site. If I travel to the west side for instance, best reception is off of the simulcast system. I have only the CC's and alts programmed. Like I said earlier, I changed the setting to stationary and It seems to have fixed the problem. I think I'll try the off setting next. I think I just need to try a host of things to get it tweaked. Thanks for your help.


David

 

[david342295]

I had the same problem setting a Pro-197 next to a Pro-106 both with multisite=OFF on both radios. Both were set to Manual parked on a specific talkgroup on a simulcast P25 system. When I set the Pro-197 to multisite=STAT as you did, it started picking up all the calls on the talkgroup while the Pro-106 still missed them with multisite=OFF. Previously to reading your post, I was setting Noise=1 and Digital Detect Timeout=1, but that didn't fix it. Your setting of multisite=STAT has fixed it on both radios and they are now receiving all the calls on this talkgroup. A minor side effect of using multisite=STAT is that now the first part of the call is cut off sometimes because the radio will rescan all control channels after each call. But what you have reported does seem like a bug since it does it in both the Pro-197 and Pro-106. Thanks for this fix. I thought I was the only one having this problem. If you find any other settings that improve on the simulcast multipath distortion breaking up the signal, please report this back on this forum. Thanks again.

 

[hcpholder]

Here's whats happening: Turn on Pro96 and P106, picks up TG fine. 106 is quiet. If I hit manual then scan it starts picking up fine. I am programming with Win500. Am I doing something wrong or is it something else. Monitoring the Chattanooga, TN Hamilton County Public Safely System. Any help appreciated.

Been messing with the Multi-Site mode and if I put it on stationary it seems to solve the problem. Would I need to set it to multi and tweek my threshold levels? I do carry it with me often. This is just a thought, as I am still trying to grasp this thing.

I have my "Multi-Site" set to off and have no problem receiving, even down in Ringold where my grandkids live. I live out past Hamilton Place and the 106 does well for the most part. I live in an apartment complex and sometime have a little problem if i'm in the middle of the apartment.

 

[beeeno]

I have my "Multi-Site" set to off and have no problem receiving, even down in Ringold where my grandkids live. I live out past Hamilton Place and the 106 does well for the most part. I live in an apartment complex and sometime have a little problem if i'm in the middle of the apartment.

I've been playing with the settings alot and I think I'll get it eventually. I think the issue is with the system and what I'm trying to monitor. Correct me if I'm wrong. I pick up the Ringgold site 99% constant. Simulcast sites (Lookout Mt maybe) 99% down to 25-30%. (The Brock Road site is horrible if I can even pick it up.) The Catoosa digital breaks up on the simulcast while I'm at home. With the Ringgold site being a sub-site, different CC, I don't seem to get any Chattanooga PD, Eastridge, or others off of this site. This is why I was trying to get the multi-site dialed in. If I drive off to Fort O, strong signal is Lookout then the Ringgold site starts getting scratchy. Guess I'm looking for the best of both. LOL. I'll get it or I won't. LOL

 

[fmon]

Also remember, when STAT is set an option is available to check- or not check - all control channels in every pass. If check all is set, this may cause a delay in catching the beginning of coms.

 

[DonS]

Also remember, when STAT is set an option is available to check- or not check - all control channels in every pass. If check all is set, this may cause a delay in catching the beginning of coms.

STAT causes a delay no matter what, if you have TGs that are on some sites but not others. (The rest of this post depends on that "if").

In general, the "Check All" option will actually decrease the delay seen in such cases. This is because "Check All" means, as Frank said, "tune to every programmed CC on every 'scanning pass'". If that option is not set for the TSYS, the scanner won't get around to every CC on every 'scanning pass' - meaning it can/will take multiple scanning passes to get to every CC.

Of course, much of this depends on what else you have programmed and enabled for scanning. If it's just TGRPs in the one TSYS, then "check all" won't have much of an effect. If you have other objects programmed (e.g. some CONV objects or TGRPs in another TSYS), then "check all" will decrease the "missed audio" at the beginning of individual TG transmissions - because the scanner will get to all the CCs more frequently.

If you want to monitor talkgroups that appear on only some sites' CCs (e.g. TG X on Site A, plus TG Y on Site B), then MultiSite=STAT is the only way to do it. (Well, you could also program multiple TSYS objects, each "single site", but that starts sucking up more memory space if/when you have talkgroups that appear on both sites).

 

[beeeno]

STAT causes a delay no matter what, if you have TGs that are on some sites but not others. (The rest of this post depends on that "if").

In general, the "Check All" option will actually decrease the delay seen in such cases. This is because "Check All" means, as Frank said, "tune to every programmed CC on every 'scanning pass'". If that option is not set for the TSYS, the scanner won't get around to every CC on every 'scanning pass' - meaning it can/will take multiple scanning passes to get to every CC.

Of course, much of this depends on what else you have programmed and enabled for scanning. If it's just TGRPs in the one TSYS, then "check all" won't have much of an effect. If you have other objects programmed (e.g. some CONV objects or TGRPs in another TSYS), then "check all" will decrease the "missed audio" at the beginning of individual TG transmissions - because the scanner will get to all the CCs more frequently.

If you want to monitor talkgroups that appear on only some sites' CCs (e.g. TG X on Site A, plus TG Y on Site B), then MultiSite=STAT is the only way to do it. (Well, you could also program multiple TSYS objects, each "single site", but that starts sucking up more memory space if/when you have talkgroups that appear on both sites).

Thanks guys for all the info. Of all the things I've tried, as you both have said, STAT has yielded the best results. For a guy like me who likes to tweak things, this thing is awsome. I've had a blast and only had it a week. Way better than my 96! Thanks for all your help. And thank you Don for the all the wonderful software.

Good day to all!
David