Park City Area Ski Resorts

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Just got thew new DV system programmed as conventional with each site as a department. I initially had the freq mode set to "all" and was getting a ton of control channel noise so switched them all to DMR which seemed to get rid of that. Good news, no encryption. It seems the only sites I'm getting at my house are Bald Mtn and Site 5 Deer Crest. The scanner is stopping on freqs with no audio for several seconds at a time and showing TG 0 and different CC's for each freq and switching between slot 1 and 2. TG's noted are 12, 14, and 5242890 which appears to be dispatch. I'll keep listening.
 
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Their old system is still active (showing that it's putting out data) but I didn't hear a peep out of it all week.
 

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Bald Mtn will be a Site in the new Cap+ system - so really a 6 site system... Bald Mtn now includes 463.950, 464.025, and 464.225... So I think those will be the 3 frequencies for the 5 talk paths on Bald Mtn.
If this is a Capacity Plus system, it will be 6 talk paths, Cap+ doesn't use a continous control channel. Where as Tuer 3/Capacity Max does use a continously control channel
 

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so does the database need to be changed to reflect cap +? is it for deer Valley or park city? right now some of that is listed dmr conventional... if so its a trunked system and have talkgroups and needs to reflect that. is there any way u can get the info? do u just have the sds100 ? or do u have a laptop with dsdplus?
 

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also some of park city mountain resorts is listed under peak wireless and is nxdn 9600 and is mostly encrypted, for ski patrols and operations
 

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the Database has....





also note that the Peak wireless 9600 is switching to peak wireless DFA 4800

 

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so does the database need to be changed to reflect cap +? is it for deer Valley or park city? right now some of that is listed dmr conventional... if so its a trunked system and have talkgroups and needs to reflect that. is there any way u can get the info? do u just have the sds100 ? or do u have a laptop with dsdplus?

Park City resort is encrypted on the Peak Wireless NXDN system. This has not changed (although the Peak Wireless system itself is migrating to DFA).

Deer Valley has previously used a 4 site DMR conventional networked system, which is listed in the DB based on information I figured out when I was there a few years ago. A few months ago Deer Valley installed a 6-site Cap+ system to replace their former conventional system. Based on FCC licenses and local listener reports, some of the frequencies in use on the now-deprecated conventional network appear to have been reused on the new Cap+ system but many frequencies are new. The new system coincides with a major territory expansion referred to as the East Village project.

There will need to be an entirely new database entry for Deer Valley resort once more info about the new Cap+ system is determined by locals (including Sys ID and site numbers). The frequencies in use on each site also need to be confirmed (the above is based on FCC licenses only), and LCNs need to be determined also.

So far we know the new Cap+ system is in use, and have confirmed some frequencies that are in use, and have confirmed the users are not encrypted, but more specificity is still needed. Hopefully locals can figure more out soon. I will be there first week of February and can try to lock down whatever info we still need at that time.

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Deer Valley resort once more info about the new Cap+ system is determined by locals (including Sys ID and site numbers). The frequencies in use on each site also need to be confirmed (the above is based on FCC licenses only), and LCNs need to be determined also.
Cap+ doesn't have a system ID only site number and LCN's

My SDS100 is showing "CAP+"
Then it doesn't use a continously control channel and it's 2 voice paths per RF resource. Tye system tells the subscribers it's there with beacons on a 'rest channel' that the subscribers listen to for the system 'heart beat'. The rest channels are also used to trigger RSSI roaming when there are no voice paths in use.
 

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Then it doesn't use a continously control channel and it's 2 voice paths per RF resource. Tye system tells the subscribers it's there with beacons on a 'rest channel' that the subscribers listen to for the system 'heart beat'. The rest channels are also used to trigger RSSI roaming when there are no voice paths in use.

Now it makes sense why my scanner keeps stopping on frequencies with no audio and showing CC and TG as zero. So the only site I'm getting reliably is Bald Mtn. The slots are almost always bouncing between 1 and 2. It's showing site ID 3. 463.9500 is showing CC 7 as is 464.0250. TG 10 is dispatch/ski patrol. I thought TG 14 was snow making, but then TG 34 started talking about pressure and water flow so maybe TG 14 is snow grooming and 34 is snow making. Other TG's heard are 12 and 18. I'll keep listening.
 

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Alright, I think we've finally gathered enough data to build out this system in the RR DB. It is located here. If you are within listening range, please use DSD+, LCN finder or other methods to help us figure out the correct LCN order for each Site. We also need color codes and site numbers confirmed.

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This morning I'm hearing avalanche blasting on TG 22. They notify dispatch when they are "fire in the hole" and give a location.
 

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This morning I'm hearing avalanche blasting on TG 22. They notify dispatch when they are "fire in the hole" and give a location.
Thanks. I've added that to the DB.

What Site(s) are you listening to? Would be great to try to get some confirmation of LCNs and Color Codes for each Site when we can.
 

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Thanks. I've added that to the DB.

What Site(s) are you listening to? Would be great to try to get some confirmation of LCNs and Color Codes for each Site when we can.
I’m only getting Bald Mountain at my house. I’ll see if I can update my scanner today and do an LCN search.
 

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I’m only getting Bald Mountain at my house. I’ll see if I can update my scanner today and do an LCN search.

How's it working for you? Some reports of lots of missed transmissions even at the mountain with solid signal.
 

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How's it working for you? Some reports of lots of missed transmissions even at the mountain with solid signal.
I'm hearing traffic on the individual Bald Mtn frequencies that I'm not hearing when listening to the DMR system downloaded from the RR database.
 
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