Pigeon Forge area

[radiocrazy123]

Those are not the answers I was looking for so let me clarify.

Is this C trunking? 4800? 9600?
D Trunking? Multi site? InterSystem?
System ID?
Site IDs?
Talkgroups?

 

[es93546]

Great Smoky Mountains National Park is an exclusive federal jurisdiction. They handle law enforcement, fire and EMS with their own apparatus and personnel. The states and counties do not have jurisdiction. They would only respond inside the park is the NPS requests them or are covered by some sort of a cooperative agreement. Those are common for the NPS asking for help in Search and Rescue (SAR). Inside the park you won't see the state, counties or cities on the side of the road running radar for speeding, but you will see National Park Service "protection rangers" (multiple roles in LE, Fire, EMS and SAR) doing so. Protection is shorthand for the "Division of Visitor and Resource Protection," which exists in all large and medium sized parks.

 

[radiocrazy123]

What does this have to do with Pigeon Forge ?

 

[es93546]

What does this have to do with Pigeon Forge ?

Two people previously posted information about Great Smoky Mountains National Park and its radio system. Many people assume that local police and fire departments work in national parks. This misconception can alter the way people monitor activity in areas in and surrounding a national park. Pigeon Forge is a "national park gateway community" and being able to hear GSMNP is an option, which these two people posted as another option for listening in that community. I provided some information that might make monitoring the park make more sense.

 

[es93546]

I think monitoring GSMNP is as interesting, or maybe more interesting, as monitoring Dollywood. Unless I made the decision to visit Dollywood (unlikely) and could monitor their system on a handheld I would not bother. On the other hand, I would be likely to visit the park and would want to know about their radio system for both my handhelds and mobile rigs. Just my opinion.

 

[radiocrazy123]

GSMNP can be heard in multiple counties beyond it's boundaries, even in VA. I truly hope not all those forums are hijacked for GSMNP education & discussion.

Gatlinburg is a gateway, not Pigeon Forge.

GSMNP provides primary LE, FD, SAR, and medical treatment but the local county/city provides EMS transport to the hospital. Local LE and FD responds to assist if added resources are needed or if park services are busy on other calls. No different then any other public safety agency.

 

[radiopro52]

I was in Pigeon Forge a couple of weeks ago and was listening to the Dollywood system using my SDS200. I programmed the system using the frequencies given earlier in this thread. The scanner showed that it was an IDAS (NXDN) system. I did not see a control channel, which from my understanding makes this a type D trunking system. The system ID was shown as 1h and the site ID was 1. The TGIDs I picked up include but are not limited to:

2049
2055
2077
2079
2080
2081
2083

I didn't listen long enough to properly ID them but most of them sounded like security, traffic control, and general park operations.

Hopefully this helps.

 

[N1XDS]

When I visited Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge two years ago I couldn't pick up anything in the area except for the Park and the medical helicopters in route to their designations around the area or different state. Didn't try to scan anything else so I just listen on to what I can at the time.

 

[radiocrazy123]

I was in Pigeon Forge a couple of weeks ago and was listening to the Dollywood system using my SDS200. I programmed the system using the frequencies given earlier in this thread. The scanner showed that it was an IDAS (NXDN) system. I did not see a control channel, which from my understanding makes this a type D trunking system. The system ID was shown as 1h and the site ID was 1. The TGIDs I picked up include but are not limited to:

2049
2055
2077
2079
2080
2081
2083

I didn't listen long enough to properly ID them but most of them sounded like security, traffic control, and general park operations.

Hopefully this helps.

On a single site D Trunking system valid Talkgroups are 1-2000

I also attempted to enter the Talkgroups on multi site trunking. Those TGs are invalid there too.

I have also ruled out those being unit IDs on single site D trunk as they are invalid there as well.

Further study is needed.

 

[ScanWI]

On a single site D Trunking system valid Talkgroups are 1-2000

I also attempted to enter the Talkgroups on multi site trunking. Those TGs are invalid there too.

I have also ruled out those being unit IDs on single site D trunk as they are invalid there as well.

Further study is needed.

Type-D Trunking uses Home or Collect channels like LTR, you can think of it as a Digital LTR system. The talkgroups are most likely as follows.

2-49 entered as 020049
2-55 entered as 020055
2-77 entered as 020077
2-79 entered as 020079
2-80 entered as 020080
2-81 entered as 020081
2-83 entered as 020083

NXDN Icom IDAS decimal talkgroup format is XXYYYY where XX is Home Repeater (1-30) and YYYY is group ID (0001-2047)

 

[radiocrazy123]

Sorry I do not use scanners so I took the info as face value. Now that you corrected the previous info I have now programmed my radio to monitor next time I am up that way.

 

[ScanWI]

Sorry I do not use scanners so I took the info as face value. Now that you corrected the previous info I have now programmed my radio to monitor next time I am up that way.

If you are using a radio you would use the 49, 55, 77, 79, 80, 81, 83 and then enter the the home channel selection for the group of talkgroups. If you are using a ICOM radio you can set it to receive a range of TGs for the system.

 

[ScanWI]

Also if people have updates for certain areas please submit them, without updates it is hard to keep your fellow RR members informed

 

[es93546]

GSMNP can be heard in multiple counties beyond it's boundaries, even in VA. I truly hope not all those forums are hijacked for GSMNP education & discussion.

Gatlinburg is a gateway, not Pigeon Forge.

GSMNP provides primary LE, FD, SAR, and medical treatment but the local county/city provides EMS transport to the hospital. Local LE and FD responds to assist if added resources are needed or if park services are busy on other calls. No different then any other public safety agency.

Pigeon Forge is marketing itself as a gateway community. The National Park Service lists it as a gateway community. National Parks have can have more than one gateway community, for example, Yosemite NP has 4. A gateway community is one that is located near AN entrance to a National Park and whose economy is closely tied to visitation within the park. It is not limited to just those communities near what may be perceived as the main entrance to the park.

 

[radiocrazy123]

Oh Lord. Now we are swallowing all of East TN into a fruitless discussion on Mountain gateways. Who cares, Give me some frequencies I don't know about in Pigeon Forge. Not pointless babble on advertisement strategies.

 

[radiocrazy123]

I received info that GPD is getting P25 700/800 radios with grant money and will be moving to TACN if they like the coverage. They will have the ADP key loaded, but unknown if it will be slaved or toggle.

 

[medic9351301]

good info radiocrazy seems like the burg should not have to go for grants . but hey if it works it works,
wonder what the good ole boys radio shop is thinking . there was talk some times back about county fire moving to tacn.
if that happens that would leave a few agencies like the so, ems, and seriverville . from what i have seen there is a tower in the county on greentop mtn. and one nextdoor in cocke county . It should be noted that as of now they are not simulcast sites. and they city has a few towers on the ridges through the city .

gps cord greentop mtn
35.8114 -83.6694

 

[radiocrazy123]

GPD purchase order submitted, APXs. TACN operation should begin early next year. Other agencies will be watching, that is all I am allowed to say. Enjoy searching.

 

[ccfire]

In my opinion they better add another tower closer to gb 700 mhz like 800 doesn't like mountains I know that from personal experience but if they get mobiles and portables that are multiple band then they can put up vhf towers like up at chuck swan or maybe even go uhf just my opinion

 

[jblackst]

Great Smoky Mountains National Park is an exclusive federal jurisdiction. They handle law enforcement, fire and EMS with their own apparatus and personnel. The states and counties do not have jurisdiction. They would only respond inside the park is the NPS requests them or are covered by some sort of a cooperative agreement. Those are common for the NPS asking for help in Search and Rescue (SAR). Inside the park you won't see the state, counties or cities on the side of the road running radar for speeding, but you will see National Park Service "protection rangers" (multiple roles in LE, Fire, EMS and SAR) doing so. Protection is shorthand for the "Division of Visitor and Resource Protection," which exists in all large and medium sized parks.

LE and wildland fire, yes, but GSMNP does not handle EMS transport duties on either side of the park. Local FDs also respond into the park for MVAs for extrication or other rescue situations.