Pro 97 and rebending.

[dosboot]

I have a pro-97 my The Jones Co. TRS was rebanded back in the spring, I can enter all the freq. In to to pro 97 but it seems like I miss parts of the comm. Is it possible to be able to load a freq. Into the pro-97 and still not hear it after rebanding?.

 

[fireant]

The Pro-97 is not able to support rebanding due to the firmware is non-upgradable sorry I have one myself and once rebanding hits my area I will be in the same boat you are.

fireant

 

[ka3jjz]

And just to anticipate the question, no scanner - RS, Uniden or GRE - can support rebanding yet until the firmware fixes are supplied by the manufacturer. They are not yet available. Exactly how these fixes will be applied is also still pretty much up in the air.

73s Mike

 

[dosboot]

pro 97 and rebanding

Well Jones Co. TRS has been rebanded so the freq. it was assigned must be supported by the pro 97 because it works the control channels are still working but maybe on freq. that was added may not be supported.

 

[SCPD]

IF it is an EDACS TRs, you will be able to listen as usual but LCN's & some frequencies will change

 

[DickH]

Well Jones Co. TRS has been rebanded so the freq. it was assigned must be supported by the pro 97 because it works the control channels are still working but maybe on freq. that was added may not be supported.

The control channel tells your scanner to tune to a channel number, not a freq. The channel numbers have changed, so your scanner now tunes to an unused freq.
For example, if the control channel sends channel number 128 that used to be 857.2625, channel 128 may now be 854.9875, but your scanner's firmware has not been changed to reflect the new channel number assignment.

 

[pogbobo]

yeah man, you might be up a creek on this one ... since its a mot system AlabamaRS is right, time to get a new scanner ... I wouldn't wait around to see if the pro97 will have a new firmware, cause it doesn't look good

 

[dosboot]

Jones Co. TRS

The System is a Mot system and the scanner haas not stoped workin for the system. I think our system only had two Freq. change.

 

[loumaag]

The System is a Mot system and the scanner haas not stoped workin for the system. I think our system only had two Freq. change.

If you are missing some of the communications, then indeed the radio has stopped working on the system. Missing some of them indicates a change in the LCN lineup. It would be helpful if someone could run some decoding software on the system (Unitrunker/Trunker) and report what LCN's are assigned to what frequencies.

 

[rdale]

Not sure LCN's are needed for Motorola systems?

 

[loumaag]

Not sure LCN's are needed for Motorola systems?

Rob, LCN's are used on all trunking systems; the whole re-banding issue deals with this problem. No one has (for sure) the Motorola table of LCN's based on the re-banded frequency lineup. And for some scanners, like the Pro-97 it will not make any difference once they are known, since there is no easy way to change them anyway.

 

[n2mdk]

yeah man, you might be up a creek on this one ... since its a mot system AlabamaRS is right, time to get a new scanner ... I wouldn't wait around to see if the pro97 will have a new firmware, cause it doesn't look good

Actually right now would not be a good time to get a new scanner, since a new one isn't going to work on a rebanded Motorola system as of now. As Lou pointed out until the new LCN/Channel Shifts are known the scanner wont know where to retune.

 

[rdale]

And for some scanners, like the Pro-97 it will not make any difference once they are known, since there is no easy way to change them anyway.

Agreed - so in this thread, which is about rebanding and the Pro97, there's no reason for him to track down the LCN...

 

[DickH]

Rob, LCN's are used on all trunking systems; the whole re-banding issue deals with this problem. No one has (for sure) the Motorola table of LCN's based on the re-banded frequency lineup. And for some scanners, like the Pro-97 it will not make any difference once they are known, since there is no easy way to change them anyway.

I'm puzzled by your use of the term LCN when discussing a Motorola system. I understand that only EDACS systems use that term, and it refers to the scanner channel number. For example, the control channel tells the scanner to tune to channels 01, 04, 05, 09, 11 etc.,
and the freqs. must be in those channel numbers, where in a Motorola system the freqs. can be in any channel in the scanner. I believe Motorola uses the FCC channel numbers, like in the 851 to 854 band they were 0-120, but in the rebanding, they will change. I also heard someone say, no, Motorola uses their own channel numbers.

 

[pogbobo]

Actually right now would not be a good time to get a new scanner, since a new one isn't going to work on a rebanded Motorola system as of now. As Lou pointed out until the new LCN/Channel Shifts are known the scanner wont know where to retune.

I wasn't talking about getting a new pro97 if thats the confusion ... are there not any scanners you can get that will work on a rebanded mot system? has that just not happened yet? lol

 

[ka3jjz]

None - not yet. As mentioned before, the new firmware needed for following Motorola rebanded systems has not yet been released. When buying a new scanner, if you have a Moto system in your area, make sure you get one that can be upgraded when the time comes.

There have been a few EDACS systems that have rebanded, but as mentioned before, you would only need to reprogram the new freqs in the correct LCN order to trunk them.

73s Mike

 

[loumaag]

Agreed - so in this thread, which is about rebanding and the Pro97, there's no reason for him to track down the LCN...

Well I guess if you are only interested in your own self-interest that is the right attitude. :roll:

However, if someone can find a system that Motorola has actually changed the line-up in and then run a decoding program on it to correlate the LCN's with the frequencies used by Motorola, then maybe the scanner manufacturers can start to work on firmware updates to the internal tables. Once that is done and confirmed a few times, then this whole (and really tiring) subject can be put to bed.

I'm puzzled by your use of the term LCN when discussing a Motorola system. I understand that only EDACS systems use that term, and it refers to the scanner channel number. For example, the control channel tells the scanner to tune to channels 01, 04, 05, 09, 11 etc., and the freqs. must be in those channel numbers, where in a Motorola system the freqs. can be in any channel in the scanner. I believe Motorola uses the FCC channel numbers, like in the 851 to 854 band they were 0-120, but in the rebanding, they will change. I also heard someone say, no, Motorola uses their own channel numbers.

As I stated earlier, all trunking systems use LCN's. The fact that you don't have to program them in your scanner is not relevant. The Motorola LCN's (for 800 & 900 MHz) were well known when trunking scanners first came out and those tables of LCN's were stored internally in the trunking scanners. All trunking scanners (with the exception of the original Pro-92) used those internal tables to translate the announced LCN (from the CCh) to a frequency. With re-banding, those tables will have to change (because there are more channels now) rendering all current tables (stored in scanners) obsolete. Some scanners will be able to update those internal tables with firmware updates once the LCN - Frequency lineup is known. Your comment about the FCC channel number lineup vs Motorola's channel number lineup is exactly the issue.

 

[n2mdk]

I wasn't talking about getting a new pro97 if thats the confusion ... are there not any scanners you can get that will work on a rebanded mot system? has that just not happened yet? lol

No, not if the rebanded system is using a changed channeling plan. If only the frequencies have been moved around then even a Pro-97 will work.
Read Lou's last posting.

 

[rdale]

Well I guess if you are only interested in your own self-interest that is the right attitude.

Or if you have any common sense, you'll realize that looking to find a rebanded system that someone can get data from will come easier if you post something with a related title. Nobody with access to a radio that can stream easily (i.e. PSR500) is going to be looking here. So wouldn't it make more sense to start a new thread as opposed to taking this one off-topic?

Then again, you couldn't go out of your way to slam someone if that were the case.

 

[dosboot]

Rebanding and Pro 97

Not sure if I'm missing anything if so it's not much. But not sure if it is My question was.
Is it possible to get some and not all what I wondering if you miss on will the whole system go black on the scanner. Also If there is something I can do to track down info I will if I had software I would be willing to help. One last note where did someone get that anyone was
only interested in there self-interest where did that come from.