Programing a bcd396xt

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R&L should have an antenna. A discone wortks good, a real 800 mhz antenna if you can find one, which would not be a compromise. Discone would be cheaper, actually any antenna outside wouks better than the best inside antenna,. I use a dual band ham antenna and it works good for all bands, 800 trunking, vhf and uhf. Low band has disappeared around here.
 

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with your system keys, thats the SO above the GRP keys, on the scanner screen, turn off the systems you don't want to listen too like the ham stuff.
I think what I did was hit the funt. key and scanned through the systems. I only programed the police in but I think it has general sys. the ham, public safty, custom 1,2 ect. when I stoped on the ham to listen, I hit the vol control to program that in unexceptionally. Yelp that's what I did, because I did it again. So how would I get that off because it doesn't have an SO: number?
 

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Ok so theirs a high gain spider antenna on ebay, boasting 100% gain, Walcott Model #: SP-800/75BN, is this a gimmick or a good antenna? Should I go with this one or the discone?
 

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What kind of signal strength indication do you have on your scanner using the factory supplied antenna?

If you are getting more than two bars on the Cincinnati trunked system, using a "bring in all the weak signals" antenna is probably overkill. (Presuming you are mainly interested in the Cincinnati system only.)

With digital radio signals, which this system is, you either have it or your don't. You won't have the scratchiness that happens with weak analog signals. I can get very clear reception on a Kentucky State Police transmitter (digital), yet I have no signal strength bars showing.

In some cases, having a real good antenna can exacerbate distortion of simulcast systems. It seems counter intuitive, but that's how I've seen these things work. There are places in Louisville, with its 13 tower simulcast system, that I can clear garble by removing the antenna. That's also why setting site attenuation on can improve decoding of simulcast systems.
 

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here is a listing for all the antennas. $50.00 you can try the Scannercraft st2. Its the first antenna. Since Cincinnati only has two sites, you can always lock out one if you are getting simulcast problems but too much signal casn always be reduced but nboty enough signal, you are deaf and there is not much that you can do. The Scannercraft antenna is not bad, since you get your coax too with the antenna. Something you have to add to a discone or any other antennas that you use. Its 75 ohm instead of 50 ohm, but the mismatch is not enough to get excited about. Other trunking sites in Cincinnati are far enough away that the external antenna will help over the stock rubber duck.
 

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Ok here the deal, went to R & L and hooked the radio to a discone antenna and nothing, they had their scanner playing away while mine did nothing and theirs was on the stock antenna. So theirs either something going on with the receive on this thing or I didn'y have it programed right. So I came home and up loaded the whole Hamilton county, except some government stations, but I got 20 agencies programed in. So I go ahead and buy a 16" antenna. I got home and while I was switching antennas, I had it on. Their was hardly any difference in the reception without the antenna.
So I've got the scanner programed, theirs not much traffic, sometimes it can go 5 min without anything, usually it goes a minute or 2 with nothing. The signal bars are always bouncing all over the place. When I was at R &L I noticed scanner bars were pretty stable. I would fluctuate but it wouldn't bounce in and out. I got this scanner off ebay so I'm thinking their could be something wrong with it. So does anyone else have one of these scanners and have this problem? and is their anyone around Cincinnati who can check this out for me and let me know if it can be tuned or returned for my money back.
 

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If you are getting something, that shows the scanner is properly programmed. That's the good news.

Seeing the signal strength meter "jump around" is normal. It is "internal housekeeping" for the scanner as it processes the received system.

I'm still of the mind that this is a problem of audio decoding on the simulcast system. Have you attempted those things I mentioned earlier, and what kind of results did you get?

I have a 396XT on the Louisville trunked radio system. There are places where I have problems decoding the system as in getting clear audio or getting no audio even though I knew the was a transmission going on. (I was a fire chief and had a system radio sitting right by the scanner). This "syndrome" is very location specific. I can be getting no audio or garbled audio, move 100 yards and then I'll get clear reception.

You might try taking your scanner in the vicinity of a transmitter, such as 1/4 mile away and see what happens. If you see great improvement, that all but confirms the simulcast distortion.

One other thing you can try. Create a new conventional system. Program all of the channels listed in the database as conventional channels. Then start scanning. Your scanner will stop on one channel and you'll hear a motorboating sound. That's the control channel and you should lock it out. Then continue scanning.

With this method you are listening to the channels, but not following the trunked groups. It is a diagnostic tool to see if you get reception.

When you hear the control channel, that confirms you are in reception range. But if you do not receive any voice transmissions, or they are garbled, that's another confirmation of simulcast distortion.

Since this is a specific location matter, you may want to start a new thread in the Ohio forum, asking for assistance with Cincinnati/Hamilton County. You might get some responses from the local folks with greater knowledge. They might be not be frequent visitors to this particular forum.
 

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Woe great info, I have try the attenuation thing, turned it on and it seemed to do worse. I tried to set the Apco settings and it didn't seem like it worked any better. I know what I'm going to do, is go by the towers and see what I get, that is a brilliant plan. Then I can let you know whats going on. One other thing is if we can do a video chat, on Skype, I think they have it on facebook to and sine you have one of these, you can see first hand of whats going on and see if its normal and maybe direct some steps.
 

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Ok, I have another question. What are the freq they have listed for each individual police dept. (station) ? Can they be programed in? I think I had programed them in under a p25 sys. seem from what I know that's not right. From the little knowledge I have, I would say they would go under a custom sys is this correct? I'm going to give that a try. If their not can someone explain?
 

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If I understand your question correctly, these may not be frequencies. Rather they are talkgroup identification numbers (TGID).

I'll try to explain this simply, but the technical purists may be shaking their heads.

Frequencies go in the site area part of the program. They are the "communications line" on which the conversation is taking place.

TGIDs are those entities whose conversations you want to hear. They will go in the groups section of your programming.

For example TGID 137 is the Blue Ash police department.

During the scanning process, your scanner listens to the control channel for the system. It notes which talkgroups have active conversations. It then goes into the list of TGIDs you have programmed. If there is an active conversation for a TGID in your list, it will go to the correct frequency and allow you to listen to the conversation.


Hamilton County-Cincinnati Public Safety Trunking System, Cincinnati, Multi-State - Scanner Frequencies

Please let me know if I am understanding what you are asking.

Also if you are a new listener to trunked radio systems, you may want to visit YouTube and search for videos on trunked radio systems. There are several videos giving pretty good explanations of how trunked radio systems work. They have videos on programming 396XT scanners there too.
 

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Ok I went to the tower and had lots of traffic, I got down to the bottom of the hill and it seemed it died down slightly. I then got on the highway and about 6 miles away it died down significantly. I was going up the hill by evendale and it seemed to pick up a bit. Got off my exit RT 4 and it was almost like I was at home. Got home and I was in the garage and it was good, it was almost dead but still better then when I got in the house, it was dead, like a few minutes before I head any traffic.

Its pretty evident that I need a good antenna. Seems I have it programed right, its just a reception issue. Question is now, should I get a 800 MHz rubber ducky antenna or the discone. I tried that discone yesterday in Hamilton and couldn't pick up anything. I havn't tried the 800 MHz antenna. So I may try the rubber duck first and if that doesn't work move on to the discone. On to that part...... A comet discone is like $80 a jet stream is $40, Am I just buying the name or is their a difference?
 

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Getting the antenna outside and as high up as possible is more important that the particular type of antenna, assuming it's not defective. If you have to keep it inside put it as high in the house as you can and as near to the outer wall as you can. If you have a lot of rebar in your walls or an old coat of stucco then you'll need to put it near a window for any decent results from the inside.

Get it outside if you possibly can. And get it as high up in the air as you can whether inside or outside.
 

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Went to the shack and tried the 800 MHz antenna, their was a slight difference, not much, so didn't get it. went to R and L and got the discone, going to put it up tomorrow and see what I get.
 

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Got it up and no difference, I talked to a guy on here and he's going to send me the program, I think I've got it programed not wrong but some adjustment need to be made for it to receive right, so hopefully I get this thing srraightened out once and for all. I think those freq. have to be added and then something about the audio, some being digital and some being analog, both being programed in. So we'll see.
 
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Any chance you can zip the programming file you have an attach it to a post for us to look at?

Something might jump out at us.
 

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I downloaded "Hamilton County-Cincinnati Public Safety" directly from the RRDB using FreeScan and have monitored it, as well as MARCS, MARCS-IP, and Clermont County when in the Tri-State area on numerous occasions without any problems.

I use a BCD396XT and a Laird Tech TRAB7603 760-870 MHz. Phantom antenna on a mag mount.
 
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sending zips

Ok I think I might of got it, went on youtube and seen how to zip it, so here goes...... Actually it was easy, I didn't know where to go to download, but I see you have to go to advanced, got-r-done, hopefully
 

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