Yes, it was Eric Cottrell who added those sites.
Quebec Gov't new allocations
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slypx
Quebec DB Adm
Renir
Vortac is right, the RENIR is built at the level of 60 - 65 % right now, mainly in the main populated areas from west of Montreal to the east of Quebec city along the St-Lawrence river valley. There is nothing west of Rigaud right now or East of La Malbaie. There is 73 tower up in the air on the 130 that there will be in the system which sould be completed by fall 2008.
There was a temporary deployment for the Montebello summit last week where the SQ asked and used a fully encrypted digital APCO25 system to avoid beeing "scanned" by the protesters. They used a few RENIR w-t and mobile for their command but that's it and it has been dismantled since. Forget about Shawville (100 km west of Hull), there will not be nothing there until mid 2008.
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Vortac is right, the RENIR is built at the level of 60 - 65 % right now, mainly in the main populated areas from west of Montreal to the east of Quebec city along the St-Lawrence river valley. There is nothing west of Rigaud right now or East of La Malbaie. There is 73 tower up in the air on the 130 that there will be in the system which sould be completed by fall 2008.
There was a temporary deployment for the Montebello summit last week where the SQ asked and used a fully encrypted digital APCO25 system to avoid beeing "scanned" by the protesters. They used a few RENIR w-t and mobile for their command but that's it and it has been dismantled since. Forget about Shawville (100 km west of Hull), there will not be nothing there until mid 2008.
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Heard System ID 269, Site 108 today on 152.0550Mhz.
Not sure if this is part of the Renir system but that would be my guess.
Not sure if this is part of the Renir system but that would be my guess.
Mike_Oxlong said:
Hello,
I submitted a new system for Quebec named "Reseau National Integre de Radiocommunication (RENIR)". I did not know of any connection with SIM. I only noticed that it did not show up in the new systems listings and figured the admin was collecting more information for a better update.
73 Eric
Wow, is this ever confusing.
The RENIR system is here:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=5492
According to this system, for Site 201 you need to go to the Ville de Montreal system:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=2952
The last update for this system was submitted by Eric Cottrell and was worked by Eric Carlson.
It's clearly labelled as being for RENIR but it was submitted under the Ville de Montreal system.
It would appear that Eric Carlson added your information in to the Ville de Montreal system instead of RENIR and VORTAC then deleted the sites 3 days later.
I've added the information into the RENIR system where it should be.
The only puzzle that now remains is what is the System ID for the Ville de Montreal system? Is it actually part of the RENIR system with the same system id?
I don't see any submissions that would indicate it's 14f.
VORTAC is the database admin for Quebec. If you've got any questions, direct them to him. He's the guy who should be looking over the submissions and working them since he knows the area best.
The RENIR system is here:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=5492
According to this system, for Site 201 you need to go to the Ville de Montreal system:
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&sid=2952
The last update for this system was submitted by Eric Cottrell and was worked by Eric Carlson.
It's clearly labelled as being for RENIR but it was submitted under the Ville de Montreal system.
It would appear that Eric Carlson added your information in to the Ville de Montreal system instead of RENIR and VORTAC then deleted the sites 3 days later.
I've added the information into the RENIR system where it should be.
The only puzzle that now remains is what is the System ID for the Ville de Montreal system? Is it actually part of the RENIR system with the same system id?
I don't see any submissions that would indicate it's 14f.
VORTAC is the database admin for Quebec. If you've got any questions, direct them to him. He's the guy who should be looking over the submissions and working them since he knows the area best.
slypx
Quebec DB Adm
OK Here's my two cents worth of info.
The Montreal Fire dept system is a 800 mhz APCO25 that is only tied to the Montreal knot of the RENIR for main infrastructure only (read tower and tech stuff). They have their own frequencies instead of the VHF frequencies of the RENIR and admin their system themself. There is no other link, they don't even show up on the control screen of the RENIR control room.
The Montreal Fire dept system is a 800 mhz APCO25 that is only tied to the Montreal knot of the RENIR for main infrastructure only (read tower and tech stuff). They have their own frequencies instead of the VHF frequencies of the RENIR and admin their system themself. There is no other link, they don't even show up on the control screen of the RENIR control room.
Do you have a system id for the Montreal Fire system?
If I understand you, they basically share tower space but they are totally separate systems.
If I understand you, they basically share tower space but they are totally separate systems.
slypx
Quebec DB Adm
I don't think there is a RENIR ID for them since they are not being manage by the RENIR, there are talk groups in the 600xx number but that's all I got. Their not only sharing the tower but also the Motorola infrastructure including the IP server in the Montreal RENIR computer knot.
I mean the System ID which identifies the system to the radios.
So far the database shows 1AF for both systems which would mean the systems are one and the same.
So far the database shows 1AF for both systems which would mean the systems are one and the same.
DaveH
Member
Mike_Oxlong said:
I heard some activity on there last night, fairly weak and not able to localize it.
Frequency isn't on a 15kHz grid, so I'm thinking it's a 7.5kHz splinter, which
would make it 152.0525. Presumably RENIR can support this step size, but
the Sys ID is different. Where did you hear it from?
Update: OK, picked up on your location. Can you still hear it from the same
general area? Could be enhanced propogation, otherwise I doubt it's RENIR
which hasn't made its way east past Gatineau, if that.
Dave
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It's gone today and with the propagation yesterday, I wouldn't be surprised if it's RENIR.
I've picked up Hydro Quebec sites before.
I've picked up Hydro Quebec sites before.
Hello,Mike_Oxlong said:
I picked up a Motorola Control Channel yesterday in the 142 MHz Range from the Boston area but it was gone before I could get trunker on it. It might have been HQ. I need to search the 142 range more often. I have picked up a couple of sites when in Burlington, VT via Tropo.
Unfortunely I only had my BCD396T with me and only looked at the P25 VHF stuff. I might be going up to Montreal near the end of October and will likely have a better setup. I will make a note to listen to the 800 fire system and get the sysid, etc.
It would be better if we can get someone in Montreal to use unitrunker/trunker so I do not have to cross a international border to gather this information.
No problem about the mixup since it got straighten out in the end.
73 Eric
The Montreal ID (800 mhz) is number 201 and they own exactly the same RENIR ID System:
SID: 014Fh (WACN: BEE00)
First, on the 800 mhz Montreal system, 11 TG called 'coordination' (futur mutual help) are program on every officer radio (fire dept). So, if one day they program THOSE TG in the SQ (police) officer radio, they will be able to communicate together: one on the 800 mhz and one with the VHF radio. That's it for now on the 'futur mixed' network.
The plan was simple: everything in the Montreal area should be on the 800 mhz (more easy to communicate with walkie-takies) and everything else in the Quebec province would be on the VHF system. Those last units will have mobile repeater in the car (700 mhz).
Actually, they are no major activity on the VHF RENIR. A very few services own the new system and they are allow to use it for tests purpose. 90% of those users are near Quebec city. So, here in Montreal (and it the same for the Gatineau aera), we don't have a lot of radio activities yet. That's why we have very few informations about this network.
SID: 014Fh (WACN: BEE00)
First, on the 800 mhz Montreal system, 11 TG called 'coordination' (futur mutual help) are program on every officer radio (fire dept). So, if one day they program THOSE TG in the SQ (police) officer radio, they will be able to communicate together: one on the 800 mhz and one with the VHF radio. That's it for now on the 'futur mixed' network.
The plan was simple: everything in the Montreal area should be on the 800 mhz (more easy to communicate with walkie-takies) and everything else in the Quebec province would be on the VHF system. Those last units will have mobile repeater in the car (700 mhz).
Actually, they are no major activity on the VHF RENIR. A very few services own the new system and they are allow to use it for tests purpose. 90% of those users are near Quebec city. So, here in Montreal (and it the same for the Gatineau aera), we don't have a lot of radio activities yet. That's why we have very few informations about this network.
DaveH
Member
Interesting to see more RENIR sites being filled in, in the DB.
I'm still hearing a CC on 152.975, but the one on 153.110 has
gone away...searching around to see if it's popped up on some
other frequency.
Dave
I'm still hearing a CC on 152.975, but the one on 153.110 has
gone away...searching around to see if it's popped up on some
other frequency.
Dave
DaveH
Member
During enhanced propogation, I found another P25 control channel,
on 165.015MHz. I can't confirm it is RENIR, but at this stage wonder
what else it could be otherwise.
Some time back (a year or so ago) I heard a P25 CC on 141.1350
or 141.1650 but it can no longer hear it.
This brings my list to the following, many of which are identifed in the
database:
140.7150 140.8050 140.9850 141.0750 141.4650 143.3850
152.0525 152.8850 152.9750 153.1100 (gone) 165.0150
165.4050
The MDT system seems to have started using 461.7875 in W. Quebec.
Dave
on 165.015MHz. I can't confirm it is RENIR, but at this stage wonder
what else it could be otherwise.
Some time back (a year or so ago) I heard a P25 CC on 141.1350
or 141.1650 but it can no longer hear it.
This brings my list to the following, many of which are identifed in the
database:
140.7150 140.8050 140.9850 141.0750 141.4650 143.3850
152.0525 152.8850 152.9750 153.1100 (gone) 165.0150
165.4050
The MDT system seems to have started using 461.7875 in W. Quebec.
Dave
warrior420
Member
Can this sytem be programmed into a Uniden yet? Is it a motorola P25 system? Im close to the border and would like to start monitoring.
slypx
Quebec DB Adm
Uniden
Yes with a BCD396 or 996.
Yes it is a P25 Motorola system.
Yes with a BCD396 or 996.
Yes it is a P25 Motorola system.
warrior420
Member
Thank you very much! just gotta get the discone back up/.
DaveH
Member
warrior420 said:
Depends what you mean by near the border. From what I gather in W. Que. there
is not much if anything to hear at present. The operation at Montebello in August
was temporary for the SPP summit, then taken down. Anything east of that is
just CC's now unless someone has heard otherwise. SQ may be partially or
fully encrypted when they come on. Take you time with the antenna.
Found another CC somewhere near Ottawa on 153.695. It's listed in the
database as Quebec (City) which I'm sure this one is not; CC's are being
re-used, no surprise.
Dave
I was able to hear the ctrl. ch. noise today on 153.695 in Douglas, ON, Admaston-Bromley Twsp. in Renfrew County.
Sorry, that doesn't narrow the frequency down any, but able to report in that I was able to hear it.
Sorry, that doesn't narrow the frequency down any, but able to report in that I was able to hear it.
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