BCD436HP/BCD536HP: Question while conventional discovery

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Hi There,

I found some RAN 5, RAN 2, RAN 14, etc. None of these have any recorde audio when I try to listen yet it says there is a number under the duration on the frequency. Why might this be? Is this a control channel? I try to hit play on all of the "RAN" ones but no audio and it won't even play white noise. It won't play at all. Thanks

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Is there any display when you tune to them?

Likely these are control channels.
 

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Believe it or not I actually have not tried tuning to them specifically.

Do you think that I should just tune to them and see or should I run analyze on them?
 

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As you can see, the number of second equals the number of hits (e.g. 76 sec & 76 hits). This means that each recorded audio is equal or less than 1 second in average... so you will hardly hear anything. My best guuess would be some short data bursts of NXDN channels (RAN is NXDN equivalent of CC in DMR or NAC in P25).
 

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As you can see, the number of second equals the number of hits (e.g. 76 sec & 76 hits). This means that each recorded audio is equal or less than 1 second in average... so you will hardly hear anything. My best guuess would be some short data bursts of NXDN channels (RAN is NXDN equivalent of CC in DMR or NAC in P25).

That may be the scanner decoding it as a control channel and 'moving on'.
 

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I am having the same thing happen. I can verify audio on those frequencies when scanning them. Here is my screen shot. You will notice several hits with various record times.
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If the scanner plays audio when manually holding, but skips the frequency during normal scanning, then you've got one of the following errors:
  • Service type assigned to the frequency is turned off.
  • Location Control turned on in the FL settings, but incorrect or missing location data for either the scanner or the frequency.
  • System, department, or channel avoided.
  • Favorite list, system or department quick key turned off.
Look up the "nothing to scan" checklist for additional possibilities.
 

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Whenever I do a Conventional Discovery Search, and it Logs NXDN Discoveries, The Play Button in Sentinel will NOT attempt to play the Audio. It works fine with analog, DMR and P25 but not NXDN. I think that is the same problem that the OP is talking about.
 

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If the scanner plays audio when manually holding, but skips the frequency during normal scanning, then you've got one of the following errors:
  • Service type assigned to the frequency is turned off.
  • Location Control turned on in the FL settings, but incorrect or missing location data for either the scanner or the frequency.
  • System, department, or channel avoided.
  • Favorite list, system or department quick key turned off.
Look up the "nothing to scan" checklist for additional possibilities.
Hi Jon. Please see my above post # 11 for further explanation of issue. It is happening in Sentinel Discovery Log Viewer. Thanks.
 

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Whenever I do a Conventional Discovery Search, and it Logs NXDN Discoveries, The Play Button in Sentinel will NOT attempt to play the Audio. It works fine with analog, DMR and P25 but not NXDN. I think that is the same problem that the OP is talking about.

I will look into that.
 

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@JoeBearcat
The Play Button in Sentinel will NOT attempt to play the Audio.
If you are referring to the screenshot you posted before, there is nothing to play for Sentinel.
As an example, have a look to the frequency 468.925000 - there are 54 hits count with total of 31 seconds of audio. That means the average audio recording length for each hit is less than 0.6 second. So immediately after you press the PLAY button, the Sentinel just attempts to play this extremely short recording and stops after 600 milliseconds. And if you have the digital waiting time set to the default 400ms at the same time, that means there is no audio at all to play.

Yes, that is correct.
That makes things more interesting/complicated - there may be several reasons to this. Either the hit detected by Sentinel is a control channel as suggested by @JoeBearcat, which means this is a Type-C trunking NXDN network (The Type-C NXDN trunking network use traditional control channel, which changes frequencies from time to time, that explains why you may have audio on the same frequency, when the control channel is switched to another frequency next day). It can however also be a Type-D NXDN trunking, which is a distributed architecture with no control channel - in such case, these hit may be some short data transmissions as suggested above.
Another reason could be encryption - I am not 100% sure about the Discovery function in sentinel, but during scan, it skips transmissions, which are encrypted - so his might also be the reason why you see recordings of several hundreds of milliseconds only

It is also possible, that the Discovery function is broken, however to be positive on this, you would have to verify the on-air audio with the use of another tool - best is DSD+ FalstLane, which provides a lot of information about the transmitted data and audio.

So I think your problem is not "why Sentinel doesn't play any audio?" as there is NO audio... the question should be "why Discovery doesn't record any audio?" - and the possible reasons are described above.
 
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