• To anyone looking to acquire commercial radio programming software:

    Please do not make requests for copies of radio programming software which is sold (or was sold) by the manufacturer for any monetary value. All requests will be deleted and a forum infraction issued. Making a request such as this is attempting to engage in software piracy and this forum cannot be involved or associated with this activity. The same goes for any private transaction via Private Message. Even if you attempt to engage in this activity in PM's we will still enforce the forum rules. Your PM's are not private and the administration has the right to read them if there's a hint to criminal activity.

    If you are having trouble legally obtaining software please state so. We do not want any hurt feelings when your vague post is mistaken for a free request. It is YOUR responsibility to properly word your request.

    To obtain Motorola software see the Sticky in the Motorola forum.

    The various other vendors often permit their dealers to sell the software online (i.e., Kenwood). Please use Google or some other search engine to find a dealer that sells the software. Typically each series or individual radio requires its own software package. Often the Kenwood software is less than $100 so don't be a cheapskate; just purchase it.

    For M/A Com/Harris/GE, etc: there are two software packages that program all current and past radios. One package is for conventional programming and the other for trunked programming. The trunked package is in upwards of $2,500. The conventional package is more reasonable though is still several hundred dollars. The benefit is you do not need multiple versions for each radio (unlike Motorola).

    This is a large and very visible forum. We cannot jeopardize the ability to provide the RadioReference services by allowing this activity to occur. Please respect this.

radio sending multiple registrations

Status
Not open for further replies.

billy2047

📶 🕨 Ø T₁ ÆS Ⱬ ⬜ ᴴ L |→| 𝅘𝅥 💾 🛰️ 🔋
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
134
Location
SYS REG RFSD
Hi all, I was monitoring a MOTO P25p1 system using DSDFL and noticed some radios will "flood" the controller with multiple registrations approximately every 3 seconds. Does anyone know why? It happens randomly and battery has full charge so i dont think it's the radio turning on/off itself.

I've also noticed some radios will de-register, then re-registers and affiliates itself back on after a 5 seconds gap. I wonder why?

Thanks

BB
reg.PNG
 

ElevatorsAndRadios

yarewesog
Premium Subscriber
Joined
May 26, 2017
Messages
137
Location
SoCal
I have seen some of the APX7000XE portables at work do this on a P25p2 system... not sure why. I thought maybe it was due to the radio being in an area of poor coverage. That was just a guess though... I am merely an end user.
 

billy2047

📶 🕨 Ø T₁ ÆS Ⱬ ⬜ ᴴ L |→| 𝅘𝅥 💾 🛰️ 🔋
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
134
Location
SYS REG RFSD
I have seen some of the APX7000XE portables at work do this on a P25p2 system... not sure why. I thought maybe it was due to the radio being in an area of poor coverage. That was just a guess though... I am merely an end user.
yeah indeed it's weird. the thing is whenever an "offending" radio tries to send multiple registrations to the controller, it causes other radios to "bonk" then users complaint traffic is not getting through
 

nd5y

Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2002
Messages
11,886
Location
Wichita Falls, TX
I have seen that happen but it occurs about once a minute. Sometimes several radios do it but not at the same time. I don't know if they are portables or something else.
 

chrismol1

P25 TruCking!
Joined
Mar 15, 2008
Messages
1,328
There's similar with a P1 system I was logging. Every 5 minutes the same ID would register and affiliate to the same talkgroup. No deregister, just reregistering and affiliate, no other activity, no voice/data grants, never de-registering, no other activity. a "ghost" ID that only registers and affiliates to the same talkgroup. Then at night it would slow down to every half hour or hour and sometimes none at all, then back to every 5 minutes during the day. Strange. Last time I checked it's still doing this over a year, I suspect its been doing this maybe years
 

rescue161

KE4FHH
Database Admin
Joined
Jun 5, 2002
Messages
3,675
Location
Hubert, NC
When we see this, it typically means that the radio is out of alignment. Another thing that can happen is the radio can key up, get a channel grant, but when it unkeys, the radio can be far enough off frequency that the controller never hears the dekey request, so talkgroup is held in a keyed state, not allowing anyone on that talkgroup to talk. It is infuriating trying to track down these radios when they do this.
 

SCFDCOMM

Member
Premium Subscriber
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
83
I have seen this via Genwatch, Ive noticed it oftentimes happens ion a fringe area. I will run the next radio I see do this on Aeroflex8800 and see how it looks. The tropo issues in the metro area dont help.
 

KevinC

The big K
Super Moderator
Joined
Jan 7, 2001
Messages
12,729
Location
I'm everywhere Focker!
Or it's an old RELM on a multi-zone system (they didn't understand multi-zone and did all sorts of weird things on a SZ system).
 

wa8pyr

Retired and playing radio whenever I want.
Staff member
Lead Database Admin
Joined
Sep 22, 2002
Messages
7,298
Location
Ohio
When we see this, it typically means that the radio is out of alignment.

+1 on this. Being out of alignment can cause all sorts of weird things to happen. I'd make a trip to the Aeroflex my first priority.
 

GTR8000

NY/NJ Database Guy
Database Admin
Joined
Oct 4, 2007
Messages
16,149
Location
BEE00
There was a bug in APX subscribers many moons ago that caused this sort of behavior. I do not recall exactly which firmware it started with, perhaps R16, but we noticed this bad behavior with APX consolettes. Specifically those which sat idle (no PTT's) for weeks or months at a time. The system would send out the usual group affiliation query to see if the subscriber was still out there, and the subscriber would go ape **** in responding, transmitting tons of responses over the course of many hours. All of the consolettes were well within alignment spec, so that wasn't the cause of the issue we observed. MSI never issued a TSB for the issue, nor was it ever documented in firmware release notes...it just kind of went away at some point.
 

rescue161

KE4FHH
Database Admin
Joined
Jun 5, 2002
Messages
3,675
Location
Hubert, NC
Just FYI, my experience is with L3Harris and Motorola subscribers on L3Harris infrastructure (10A7).
 

billy2047

📶 🕨 Ø T₁ ÆS Ⱬ ⬜ ᴴ L |→| 𝅘𝅥 💾 🛰️ 🔋
Joined
Aug 12, 2016
Messages
134
Location
SYS REG RFSD
i think i found what's causing it, it's the automatic registration service
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top